Romancing the Kidney Stone, Plus Decluttering Your Life

Amanda is expecting...a kidney stone. Help us name it!

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Kidney Stone Returns With A Vengeance

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome back to the conversation. Tell me what you don't know to imagine. I want to be familiar. Don't be stranger.

Amanda 0:39

Welcome to Super Familiar with the Wilsons. I'm Amanda.

Josh 0:42

And I'm Josh, and this is the podcast about marriage 2.0 with kids. And side quests. We're starting on a new side quest, aren't we, Amanda?

Amanda 0:50

No, I don't want to. We did it before, and I didn't want to go down this trail again. Or side path, whatever the quests are. They branch off from the main map. What's that called?

Josh 1:01

Side quest. But what's the like the physical It's in our description of our podcast?

Amanda 1:06

That's the thing we're doing, but what is the path in which we are on?

Josh 1:10

We're being led down the garden trail or bunny trails. That's a thing. That's what people do good on money trails.

Amanda 1:16

Whatever it is, I don't like it because the kidney stone is back. Well, probably it's not bad.

Josh 1:21

Let's be clear. Daryl did not climb back.

Amanda 1:23

Is that what we called it? Josh is insisting we called it Daryl. I don't know if that's accurate.

Josh 1:27

We did. We did.

Amanda 1:28

So I had a kidney stone last October. No, two years ago, October.

unknown 1:33

Yeah.

Amanda 1:34

It just feels uh it is back with a vengeance. So it is not back.

Josh 1:38

This is a new one. It's a new one. Although I wonder how Daryl is doing. You know, he's two now, and so he's out there somewhere.

Amanda 1:45

A one and a half. He's somewhere. I don't know where he is. But this was really awful. I woke up about I don't know that I ever truly went to sleep. I was really uncomfortable last night, but we went out with friends and we had dinner, and I ate quite a lot of chicken nachos. So I was thinking, well, maybe this is just like some sort of gastric distress from my chicken nachos. Uh, but it was in my lower back and it was radiating to the side, and I know this pain. This this pain and I are familiar because it took me about a month to get rid of Daryl. And this pain, though, on a scale of one to I never want to do this again was an eight.

Josh 2:25

Yeah.

Amanda 2:26

And I get why people say, I mean, it's akin to labor because that's what it felt like. At one point, I was just walking around the bedroom just trying to get in a comfortable position. Why didn't I have you breathe? No. Oh, yeah. Because that didn't work during the child labor either. You didn't make me breathe with Winthrop.

Josh 2:43

I couldn't make you do anything. Let's be very clear.

Amanda 2:46

Well, you were just watching Steve Harvey the whole time.

Josh 2:48

I was not watching Steve Harvey.

Amanda 2:50

The only feed was on when Winthrop was delivered, by the way, people.

Josh 2:53

But that was just because we weren't gonna, you know, take the time to turn off. But I was mostly paying all my attention to you.

Amanda 2:59

Anyway, this horrible pain. Um, I think that I slept just a little bit and woke up with it around one-ish, and I lay there with the heating pad on. It was getting worse and worse. So then I got up and I took two Advil and I took half a Xanax because I have a Xanax subscription.

Josh 3:16

Subscription, that's right.

Amanda 3:18

Prescription for when I uh, you know, for panic attacks, but it also helps me sleep. And so I thought I'll take a half a Xanax and two Advil, nothing. I finally, I guess my crying out in pain is what woke you. Like I had you give me two more Advil.

Josh 3:32

Yeah.

Amanda 3:33

Right? And then a little while later, I took a Tramidol, which was the prescription med that they gave me for the kidney stone when I had it two years ago, which by the way, that's probably that's probably expired now that I think about it.

Josh 3:45

Did it work?

Amanda 3:46

Uh it worked.

Josh 3:47

Well then forget about it. Let it run, baby.

Amanda 3:50

You checked the drug interaction with Advil and Lexapro, but forgot to tell you that I took a Xanax. And then I remembered, turns out it was a bad choice that I made.

Josh 4:01

Very bad choice. I basically, folks, had to keep her from falling asleep for a window of three hours.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

Yeah.

Josh 4:09

And you know, basically I had to ascertain that she wasn't dizzy, she wasn't just gonna fall asleep and I couldn't wake her up, and she wasn't confused.

Amanda 4:19

It wasn't in respiratory distress. That's what it was. Because it turns out it's a lethal combination. Like this is how like movie stars and rock stars die.

Josh 4:26

That's that stuff and Jack Daniels.

Amanda 4:29

I didn't drink any Jack.

Josh 4:30

Okay, well then that's what saved you. Yes. So that was a fun start to our Sunday.

Amanda 4:36

So I finally at 7:30 begged him to let me sleep. So I slept for a couple hours. Josh has not slept at all since like three o'clock this morning, three or four o'clock this morning. So send thoughts and well wishes. But he kept he kept looking at me. And I'd know exactly, I knew the sound of the pillow when you'd roll over to look at me, and I'd open my eyes, and I'd say I'm awake, I'm awake.

Josh 4:59

We have the TV on. We're watching this show where they're redesigning rooms and stuff, and and I'm I love this show. I'm investing it. So I'm watching it every now and again. I'd look over at Amanda and she'd have her eyes closed, and she'd say, My eyes aren't closed, they're open. And at one point she said, the eye on the other side of the face that you can't see, that eye is open.

Amanda 5:16

Yeah, I had one eye open. He just couldn't see it.

Josh 5:18

Bullshit.

Amanda 5:20

I really was convinced. Maybe that's where the confusion was. I really was convinced that my other eye was open.

Josh 5:27

Kidney stones are no joke.

Amanda 5:29

Oh god, it's the worst. And I'm just really, really sore today. And I I I know that I probably should go to like urgent care or something and get some pain meds that will work, but I don't know if it worked once. It worked. Yeah. So as long as I don't take a Xanax, we can we can do that tonight so I can sleep, but I will call the doctor tomorrow.

Josh 5:50

So what you all can do to help us is help us come up with a name for this kidney stone. She's a real bitch. Yeah, and Daryl feels like a different category of name.

Amanda 6:01

Yeah, that one wasn't as awful.

Josh 6:03

Kind of innocuous. The worst thing that a Daryl has done is brought a seven-layer dip to a party with part of the first layer missing. Right? Okay, but not cool, Daryl. We need a different name. We need a more extreme name. This kidney stone is a problem. It's gonna be a problem. This is a stone that arrives with a briefcase and can destroy your credit score. This is a bad stone. So we need a bad name.

Amanda 6:28

Go ahead and write in at familiarwilsons at gmail.com and let me know what I should name her. I hope she's not around for as long as Daryl was around because this pain is I can't, this is not gonna be fun. I can't do this.

Josh 6:40

And it will help us to have someone to yell at, like a personification of the thing, so that she doesn't yell at me. This is what I'm saying to you.

Amanda 6:47

But and I'm not mad at you about this. You were very kind and loving and took very good care of me. Of course I am. I know, but I'm just telling the world that you did. I love you.

Turning The Guest Room Into A Pub

Josh 6:55

Oh, I love you too. One of the things that we had planned to do this weekend that kind of got derailed a bit was continuing the process of turning our guest room into a pub.

Amanda 7:05

Alright, so if I'm ever like takes me a second, it's because the pain is starting to come back. I guess the meds are wearing off and she or she heard me talking about her. I don't know. She's kicking. Is she kicking? Yep. Like with her little stiletto. She got tiny little Lou Buton stilettos on. Maybe I will just name her what what's the lead character in the Double Wears product? Maybe that's what she'll be. Anyway, uh, yeah, we were gonna work on the room, but we had soccer yesterday and it got cancelled because for the first time in a very long time we had a ton of rain, which we were very thankful for. But then uh I well, you kind of got some stuff done on the room.

Josh 7:41

A little bit, but I was also in a funk yesterday because various uh things happened and distracted me. But I I have That had nothing to do with me. No, no, no, no. That was today.

Amanda 7:51

That was today and tonight last night, yeah.

Josh 7:52

I've come to the conclusion though, one of the things that we've had to do with with getting this room ready to turn it into something else is we gotta pull all the shit out. We have too much stuff. We have so much stuff. One of the I think one of the reasons why I was in a funk is because our house is a little upside down right now, and that's just stressful. Yeah, we've got to declutter our lives. Yes, and not only declutter our lives from things, but like from not nouns, but verbs as well.

Amanda 8:17

Okay.

Josh 8:18

Wait, breathe through it. Okay. He he you want me to get you a piece of leather to bite down on?

Grief Sparks A Need To Simplify

Amanda 8:25

No, get out of here. Just keep talking about how I need to declutter my life. Go ahead.

Josh 8:29

To bring this conversation to a little bit of a turn here. Um, we announced last week that our friend Um Chicken Tom had passed away. Yeah. And that really, really and continues to affect me in ways that surprise me. One of the things that it has served to do as I've been processing my grief is I've stopped doing certain things.

Amanda 8:48

Okay.

Josh 8:49

Other podcasts that I had going. And yeah, just just different, different other things. I I kind of just put the brakes on them for a while. It feels good to be able to do that. So, you know, it it's a good time as I'm considering my life, as I'm considering our life, as we are turning the house upside down to consider what do we need, what do we keep, and then what do we let go of. And that's an okay thing.

Amanda 9:12

Yeah. My desk was in the office, so I was going through and pulling stuff out.

Josh 9:15

I'm gonna stop you and let the folks know that the noises that you're probably hearing are the wind chime because we are recording outside again this week, and we may record outside from now on because it is just so lovely out here, and you can hear all the noises and the I don't know if you heard that motorcycle go by, but it's very peaceful.

Amanda 9:35

Well, it's more peaceful to you than the dog.

Josh 9:37

Yeah, that's true. So, anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt, but that's what the noises are back there.

Amanda 9:41

It's okay. Um, I don't remember what's talking about. Oh, I know I was having to go through my desk when we were clearing it out of to take it out of the office. And one of the things that I need to get better at is like there's a ton of stuff that Winthrop has made that I'm like, oh, this is cute, I don't want to get rid of. And one of the things that I got, I think from the Swedish death cleaning show that we used to watch on Netflix. Um, and the idea of Swedish death cleaning is that you go ahead and purge your life of the things that you know that you don't need so that your family doesn't have to do it after you're gone. Like this is it's we've both had to do it for for our families, and it's hard, right? You're it's hard. So um is to take pictures of things and then let the things go. Like he had written some things, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna keep this, and then I just took a picture of it and then recycled the paper because that's I think a better way of instead of like physically holding on to these things.

Josh 10:32

Yeah, and I'm less talking about things that are that nostalgic, because that to me that's meaningful. Um, I get what you're saying, but I am talking about like the drawer full of wires.

Amanda 10:45

Yeah, and it's that whole thing of like, well, we may find what it plugs into at some point.

Josh 10:50

We're never gonna find out what these cords go to. I have my the power cord to my Atari from when I was seven years old or whatever.

Amanda 10:58

1982.

Josh 10:59

Um, but it's the thing is we've got this thing in our head that the likelihood of us needing something is directly proportional to um the time at which we throw it away. Yes. So we throw it away, then the next day, oh, I'm gonna need that, you know, random Allen wrench. What we do is we start to declutter and then we reach a point where it just becomes too overwhelming, and we just sit back and say, no, that's it's okay. It's fine. This is fine. This is a system. We're good. We're fine. We're gonna leave it. And then we stop.

Amanda 11:28

So what you're saying is we don't have follow-through.

Josh 11:30

I'm saying that it just it seems like too big of a we get overwhelmed, and also we tend to add things to our life in in ways that we shouldn't do that. Um, I think that the last big thing that we really should have added to our life was the nine-year-old.

Amanda 11:44

So there's that. He's gonna be ten soon, so we can stop adding things to our life.

Josh 11:48

Decluttering, I think, basically is a way of breaking up with your past self.

Amanda 11:55

Oh, that's interesting. You know, I like my past self though.

Josh 11:58

I know, but there there are parts of your past self that you can let go of in favor of your now self.

Amanda 12:04

Okay.

Josh 12:05

So I I think that's how we should look at it.

Amanda 12:07

Winthrop asked me something the other day, yesterday. He said, if you could stick and be any age for the rest of your life, what age would you want to be? And I said, I don't I don't know. What would you pick? And he said, 16. And I said, Well, you have not been 16. How do you know 16? And he said, Well, uh how we'll be good. Like, why are you picking 16? And his reasoning was because you can drive because you don't have to worry about college yet. You're not an adult, but you can get a job. These are his reasonings. What age would you pick? You're talking about pastels, it made me think about it.

Josh 12:43

I don't know. Um It's only recently that I've started to have like random aches and pains. And I've been pretty happy with our life otherwise. So I mean, probably pretty close to let's say like let's say 45. Yeah. That sounds like a nice round ache.

Amanda 12:58

Yeah, I liked early 40s. I mean, I don't mind any, but can I just would pick it before this one? Okay, before this this kidney stone. Freak, she's hurting.

Josh 13:07

Breathe.

Amanda 13:08

Okay, don't, don't, don't, hee, hee, hee, don't do that.

Josh 13:11

This is exactly how you responded in the delivery room. I try to help, and you'd be like, Don't do that. Don't do that.

Amanda 13:18

Don't touch me. Don't look at me.

Josh 13:19

Don't look at me, don't touch me.

Amanda 13:20

Probably why he said it, because I was probably said it in labor.

Practical Rules For Decluttering

Josh 13:23

That's right. Um, okay, so let's look at different ways to declutter your life. So I was thinking about this and I was doing a little research, and you tell me what you think of these. I want your feedback on some of these, right? Okay. If it requires a login, it's probably not necessary.

Amanda 13:37

Oh, yeah, but then we'd not be able to do any of our jobs.

Josh 13:40

Well, no, but here's the thing is if you take it from the point of view of I should probably get rid of this and then work backwards, as opposed to these are probably, you know, useful or helpful for me, what should I get rid of? It's a mindset. I think that that, for example, we have to keep our banking things, we have to keep our work things. Yeah. But do we really need all the social media, for example?

Amanda 14:01

No.

Josh 14:02

Is it really helping us?

Amanda 14:03

No, I'm down to just one, just Instagram.

Josh 14:05

Oh, that's interesting.

Amanda 14:06

The only time I go on Facebook is when I'm trying to get people to come get my stuff. You know, the buy nothing, whatever, although we just call it come get my shit. So that. Um, and uh, I don't do TikTok anymore at all.

Josh 14:18

Yeah, I hardly ever do TikTok anymore, either, or Facebook. I I in fact, I'm not quite certain I know why I keep Facebook. I say that I keep it to keep in touch with old friends, but I don't, and they don't. So what's the point of that? So if it requires a login, uh you probably get rid of it. How about the the rule that says if you pick something up and your immediate thought is what even is this? That it's probably time to go. It's probably time to go. If you're not sure.

Amanda 14:45

If it doesn't I mean, really, really, I mean Marie Kondo had it right. Does it bring you joy? Yeah. If it does not bring you joy, it doesn't bring you happiness, doesn't make you smile, or it doesn't serve a function that you need.

Josh 14:56

I would say that if you pick it up and you can't explain what it is in under two seconds, you should get rid of it. How about canceling events, canceling things um off of your calendar?

Amanda 15:06

Okay. Can I cancel a lot of work things?

Josh 15:08

No, see again, we can't really. But if there's something that you're kind of obligated to and you look at it on your calendar and you say, if this was cancelled, would I be sad or would I be relieved?

Amanda 15:18

Probably a lot of most of the time it's relieved.

Josh 15:20

Probably most of the time it's relieved. And so that's definitely a thing to do.

Amanda 15:24

Except that we have people over here and we don't want them to feel relieved when if if we were to cancel.

Josh 15:29

Okay, but that's up to them though. I know that's not our responsibility. All we can do is invite them. Oh my gosh, folks. I wish you could see Amanda's posture right now. So are we gonna have to stop recording?

Amanda 15:39

No, I made an urgent care appointment for noon.

Josh 15:42

Oh, okay.

Amanda 15:43

It's 1057.

Josh 15:44

All right, let's continue with this then. Audit the junk drawers.

Amanda 15:47

Do you know how many times I audit the junk drawer? It didn't it, it's like its purpose in life is to be a junk drawer. So you clean it out, you get organizing systems. I cleaned it out when I had large gallon-sized bags, and everything went in a bag for some function pins, tools, whatever. That is no longer a thing.

Josh 16:06

But we throw things in the junk drawer. Again, it's kind of like the wires, the computer wires or whatever. It's a just-in-case thing, right? Which basically means what we've done is we have dedicated a drawer to be a museum of fear.

Amanda 16:20

That's a good, good description.

Josh 16:22

Here's one that I have to do. It's the hobby reality check.

Amanda 16:26

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So canvases speak for themselves.

Josh 16:30

Canvas blank canvases or for you.

Amanda 16:33

Tiny houses.

Josh 16:34

Tiny houses that you're like, I'm gonna paint these.

Amanda 16:36

I only got three of them.

Josh 16:37

I say that if the hobby hasn't seen the light of day in six six months, then you could probably legally declare it deceased at that point.

Amanda 16:46

And I I I've seen a tactic for clothes, like getting rid of clothes. Although I will say that I'm on a bit of a streak with Poshmark. I've made like a hundred dollars in the past months just selling things that I don't wear anymore. Nice. I've seen a thing where you when you put your clothes in the closet, you should um put them where the hanger is backwards. You know what I mean? Like you're hooking it under instead of like so this is a closet, instead of doing the hook like this, you do it like that.

Josh 17:14

Okay, that this is not a visit.

Amanda 17:15

So you describe what I'm trying to say.

Josh 17:17

I don't know what you're trying to say. I'm lost.

Amanda 17:19

Anyway, you you you turn the hanger backwards, and then that way if you if you have not taken it off the hanger to wear it in a year, then that is your cue to I don't wear these.

Josh 17:29

Okay, I see what you're saying. So usually when we hang something, we have the open part of the hanger facing. The question mark open part, yeah, facing away from us so we can loop it. You're saying turn it around so it's extra effort to hook it on.

Amanda 17:40

Yeah, and then if you if you if it continues to oh look, there's a bird. Can you find my bird feeder, friend? It's in the jasmine though. It does it likes to nest in the jasmine. I've I've read it provides um not nesting, but um shelter. Am I editing that out? No, I want the people to know my train of thought. So I bought a bird feeder. Guys, come back. I bought a song bird feeder and stuff for our hummings were. Were you talking to the birds or to the listeners when you said guys to come back? Oh, it's bat. Okay, please. Okay, focus. All right. Anyway, I've I've just realized that I've all of a sudden gotten into birds, and that must be like I'm 50. I like birds now.

Josh 18:19

All right, just don't go buying birds.

Amanda 18:21

No, no, no, no. Birds are not meant to be in cages.

Josh 18:24

Yes, that's right. The last thing I have is the I this idea that if you were packing for a new life, yeah.

Amanda 18:31

What would you take? Yeah.

Josh 18:32

What would you take?

Amanda 18:33

That's a good idea. I like that one.

Josh 18:35

Precious little.

Amanda 18:36

Um probably not taking my bird feeder because the birds don't want to eat on it.

Josh 18:39

Are you gonna take the kidney stone? You're gonna leave them.

Amanda 18:41

I this bitch can stay here. I hate her.

Josh 18:45

Okay. Do you have any other ideas?

Amanda 18:47

Why have I made her female? There's so much wrong with the patriarchy. Why have I not made this male?

Josh 18:52

Well, you went for that automatically. I don't know.

Amanda 18:54

This feels really vindictive, though. Despite right now. Yeah. Yeah. Not just like audacious and like aloof and like feeling like entitled. That feels patriarchal. This one is like just out with a vendetta.

Pub Name Brainstorming And Email Pleas

Josh 19:11

Okay. Let us know how we can declutter our lives or declutter Amanda's kidney, whichever you know how to do. Familiarwilsons at gmail.com. Uh, we started talking about this because we're talking about the pub that we're making. This is kind of one of those things where we've reached that point in life. Instead of going to all the places that we like to go, we start recreating all those places here in our house.

Amanda 19:36

Oh, where's my library?

Josh 19:37

Ma'am, we have so many books.

Amanda 19:40

Yeah, but it's not the same. Or a bookstore. Our house does not smell like Barnes and Noble.

Josh 19:44

There's probably a spray for that. So focus up here.

Amanda 19:47

I can't. The pain is so bad. Okay. You're gonna have to keep talking, and I will non-sequitur off and on. You're just lucky I'm still sitting upright.

Josh 19:56

You know, I I'm not forcing you to No, I want to finish it.

Amanda 19:59

Keep talking.

unknown 20:00

Okay.

Josh 20:01

Anyway, there's this room that no one really used for anything. We're turning into a pub. We need to have a name for the pub.

Amanda 20:08

And Josha wants to call it Wilson's pub, but that's not interesting.

Josh 20:12

No, um, our friends, the Belsons actually put the question out on their podcast. Which what should we name uh the the pub? And we need to do the same. It's got to help.

Amanda 20:21

Did we get any answers?

Josh 20:22

Their episode comes out too much. Oh, okay. So we will find out then.

Amanda 20:25

Okay, fine.

Josh 20:26

What do you think? Have you thought of any names?

Amanda 20:28

I have not. I do like this idea though of the something and the something. Like that's very evocative to me. Like, you know, the rose and the pearl or the crown and the thorn, and you know, we I think the Belsons suggested the lock and the key because of No, I'm you said that, okay, because of Tim Key and and Sean Locke, a couple comedians that we like.

Josh 20:47

Probably gonna have to be something a little bit offbeat because we're offbeat. How about the slightly damp Wilson?

Amanda 20:52

Um, no, no one's using the word damp or moist.

Josh 20:55

How about the dripping biscuit?

Amanda 20:57

No, that sounds like a southern breakfast restaurant.

Josh 21:00

Oh, that's good though. Whatever it is, uh we're we need some ideas because clearly we're not gonna we're not gonna be able to do this. But needs to feel historic. It needs to feel Wilson.

Amanda 21:10

Uh, what about like the ship's bell? Because we are gonna have a ship's bell being in there.

Josh 21:14

We can't have the word bell. Ship's bell and that's that's the one sailor who gets no sleep. That's right. Email us at familiarwilsons at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Pocket watch, ticking, constricting, coat, and vest, marking moments, sparking movement, making minutes.

Amanda 21:33

Now, I took Wenthrop to the bookstore because Wenthrop's entire life right now is is screen based, except for when he was at school and playing soccer, but soccer got canceled. So, and it's it's okay to an extent because when he's playing Minecraft, he's playing with a couple friends from school. Then he plays this other online game called Gimkit with some friends from school and they FaceTime on the computer and play. So it is a social interaction, right? And we know the kids he's playing with and he's creating things, so it's not passionate. Screen time, so it's better than just sitting there consuming things. However, definitely we were like your brain needs a break. And so I was Muffy wanted a puzzle, she wanted a puzzle to work on. So I took her to the bookstore and I made him come with me to pick out a couple books because we're struggling. I think we've talked about this before. He used to be a voracious reader. He got into Harry Potter and he just flew through the first five books. And everywhere we went, he'd have this giant book and he'd read it. But then it started getting the content started getting a little too mature for him. Like once Hermione and Ron started dating, he was like, This is weird. I don't want this anymore. Totally appropriate for an eight-year-old at the time. And so whenever we go, he'll pick up these little like graphic novels. And I'm not, I have no problem with graphic novels that is absolutely literacy, but I want him back into chapter books because I want it to be something that like absorbs him. So I had, I told him yesterday we went, and I said, You need to pick out something. It cannot be a graphic novel. You need to pick out something. And he just stood there and he's like, Well, I don't, I don't see anything. I said, You have to actually touch the books and pull them off the shelf. Well, I don't know. You must read the back of the book. Like, I don't I introduced him to reading the description of the book. So he comes up to me and said, I I want these. And he has in his hand the I Survive series, which I understand is a big deal. I talked to my friends whose kids are older and they're all like, Oh, my, you know, my my son loved those. And Muffy even said, No, I I was really into those. So he has picked I survived the Titanic and I survived Hurricane Katrina. Now, if you are new, you've not heard us talk about the epidemic of anxiety that runs genetically through both sides of this family. And I was like, Great, because he worries about everything and it he tends to worry when it's bedtime. And I thought, we're just really opening ourselves up. But then Muffy was sitting there working on her puzzle, and we were getting ready to go out with neighbors Tony and Kate for Tony's birthday. Happy bladed birthday to neighbor Tony, and Muffy had earbuds in. And I said, Are you, you know, are you gonna have a good night? And she said, Yeah, I'm learning about Jack the Ripper. So she's putting her puzzle together and listening to a history podcast on Jack the Ripper. I listen to true crime, and that there is a lot of studies about how people with anxiety are drawn to true crime and things like that because it makes you feel like you have some sort of preparedness or control or whatever. And I realize that that's what these I survive books for Winthrop are. It's now like his anxiety manifestation of I just need to understand what happened so it doesn't happen to me.

Josh 24:39

Deep sigh, that's all you got. Why can't he read about Jack and Jane and Flowing the Ball and Spot and Oh, because those books are dirty. Oh, stop.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

No, what I'm just dick and Jane, first of all.

Josh 24:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Were the books.

Josh 24:54

Anyway, what I'm telling you is that I just want him to like just read happy things. I want you to read happy things too. I want you to. I come in the room and you're watching frickin', you know, CSI Murderville or whatever the hell it is. Murder in a small town's a new one. What you know what I don't understand is you said it's about control and understanding. Right. I don't really get that. I mean, I hear hear the words that you're saying, but I don't watch serious things because it stresses me the hell out. I don't like to watch serious movies. Yeah. It's the opposite effect on me. It increases my anxiety. So I kind of don't understand. And you said, you know, that this is a common thing for people. Help me understand how that does anything but make you more anxious.

Amanda 25:36

Well, let's talk to our friends at Sugar Coated Murder Podcast, Baking and True Crime. I mean, there this is a thing. It's a thing, and I don't know how to describe it to you, but I will uh I'll come next week with some um scholarly articles and we can talk about them.

Josh 25:51

Because I might could understand if you're watching a police procedural and they solve the crime and then you see the killer or whatever get justice, then there could be a measure of, well, okay. That you know, just those two. Okay, but a lot of them that you watch is it ends and you just feel more depressed than ever because it's like, oh, this'll never be solved, or so I went through a really big uh law and order SVU phase.

Amanda 26:19

I could never watch the ones that had to do with children, right? Um, and really, really liked them. Now I can't do those so much anymore because I do feel um I do feel rather depressed. And like it just it makes me feel feel uh so there are things that I watch, like I love all the NCIS, but also my brother was career navy, so there are things in there that you know that I'm familiar with, and I mean obviously not like chasing down international spies, but you know, naval bases and things like that, and also just LL Cool J is fun for me. There has been reform efforts that every state has now passed rape kit reform efforts, so basically like cold case rapes or rape kits that haven't been tested, and nationwide tracking now for all of these serial offenders that are there too. And this was led by and thanks to Marishka Hardigay, who has a foundation for rape victims, and it now every state, including Puerto Rico, now has this reform on that. So that is like some good coming out of like some fictionalized SVU world, okay, which is cool, which is cool, right? Like I like that. Well, Winthrop already survived the Titanic because he finished it yesterday.

Josh 27:33

Okay, good.

Amanda 27:34

We'll see what happens about Katrina.

Josh 27:36

The slightly dripping Wilson.

Amanda 27:37

Yeah, but he because that's the name of the pub. He told me he read the graphic novel of I there's the I survived chapter books and there's the I survived graphic novel. He's already read the I survived graphic novel of Katrina at school.

Josh 27:49

Right. So he's seen all of the images. He already knows what happens.

Amanda 27:52

Right. So he's still got to read the chapter book. I bet there's one that's I Survived Hurricane Andrew.

Josh 27:57

I could write that one.

Amanda 27:58

And you could talk to him about it.

Josh 27:59

Yep. Um, maybe I should write that book. Maybe that should be the book that I write.

Amanda 28:03

Yeah, because it's you're telling me about being in the hallway with like the lights popping and all the, you know, the Transformers blowing up outside and holding the door shut. I mean, it's very evocative the story you tell.

Josh 28:14

Some of it's even true.

Amanda 28:15

Of terror. Evocative of terror. Hear the wind chimes?

Listener Message And Pub Name Ideas

Josh 28:18

Yeah. All right. So if you uh want to get in touch with us about any old little thing, familiar Wilsons at gmail.com. We did get a message from Danny Buckets, so I will read that now. He says this. He says, Wilsons, I love the term plunker because we had talked about British slang uh last week. It's such a word used as a kid as a friendly insult, plunker. What a plunker.

Amanda 29:24

Like, what would we say? What would kids say? So it's not like you can't get in trouble at school for that, Danny.

Josh 29:29

I don't think so. Yeah. He has thoughts about the recorder. He says, and we used to be forced to play and bring home the recorder here at school. And of course, Danny Buckett's again is English. He says, I wish they'd had an electrical recorder like there is for guitars. No, it would just then be louder. No, no, thank you. And pub names. He suggests the Wilson's retreat or the Wilson's hideout.

Amanda 29:53

That sounds like a beach bar, though.

Josh 29:55

The Wilson's Plunk and Ale. The Wandering Wilson.

Amanda 29:59

Okay.

Josh 30:00

And the Tipsy Wilson.

Amanda 30:02

That's tips tipsy tipples. Tipsy nipples.

Josh 30:05

I don't think Wandering Wilson works because like it's at home.

Amanda 30:08

Right. We can't wander.

Josh 30:09

So we're gonna wander like the three feet to the bathroom, I guess.

Amanda 30:12

I and I do I like the first couple, but that would be like if we needed, we're gonna have like a Jimmy Buffett bar here. Like the tiki bar that we went to that started all of this.

What To Watch Next And UK Media Talk

Josh 30:20

The plunkin' ale. We shall see it. All right. Do you have any ideas for pub names? Familiar Wilsons at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

No one likes to be told what to do.

Josh 30:30

And now is the time of the program where we tell you what to do. Amanda, what should we do?

Amanda 30:34

Well, I will say that while we have stopped ordering from Amazon, we do still have Amazon Prime. And if you have Amazon Prime, you can head on over and watch Interior Design Masters, which is what we watched last night when Josh wouldn't let me sleep because he loves me and doesn't want me to die. Uh, but it is hosted by Alan Carr. And it is it is kind of like trading spaces, if you remember that from a long time ago, but not, but it's aspiring people who want to be interior designers, but it's just it's a little bit campy and it's a whole lot of fun, and it's available seasons two through six are available to you on Prime. And right now, season seven is is airing in the UK, and when it's over, it will uh make its way across the pond and you can watch season seven.

Josh 31:21

It's so interesting how what you've done here is we're already pretty niche because we're Americans who like British media, right? Yeah, but then you mentioned trading spaces, which is only people of a certain age would get that. So now that people who know what you're talking about, a very small section of people in their 50s who also happen to like us.

Amanda 31:41

We are the middle of that Venn diagram.

Josh 31:43

Okay. Well, then I'll make sure to listen back to this later.

Amanda 31:45

They had a name for trading spaces in the UK. It was a similar thing, it was like switching rooms or something. I can't remember what it was, but they had one too. So I could go that way for our our UK friends. Another thing to keep it very uh UK centric, the newest cast for the newest Celebrity Traders UK was just released, and it looks like it's gonna be a really stacked and really great cast. So if you listen to us talk about the last uh the first season of UK Celebrity Traders, you can catch that on Peacock, I think is what it's on over here. And we are very excited and looking forward to when we eventually get that in like a year and a half.

Josh 32:26

And I'm calling it now. Um, I am predicting, for those of you who watch the traders, I'm predicting that the secret trader is Michael Sheen. All right, there you go. Just remember that because this is what I predicted. All right, Amanda, that's all there is. There is no more. Could it be that week by week we're just getting worse and worse at podcasting?

Amanda 32:55

Or I'm just getting more and more pain. My appointment's in 40 minutes.

Josh 32:59

Alright. Well, you should probably go take a shower.

Amanda 33:02

I God, do I have to shower?

Josh 33:04

I mean, for the sake of whoever's gonna examine you, yes.

Thanks, Urgent Care, And Go Be Kind

Amanda 33:07

Fine, I'll go take a shower.

Josh 33:08

Alright, folks. Thank you so much. There is a list of people who we always thank, and I don't have it ready, so let me find it here. Just hang out there.

Amanda 33:19

We have a ton of butterflies on the Jasmine. But guys, more birds landed and won't. Let me know, bird friends. Why weren't they eating from my little bird feeder? It's a platform feeder if that helps anybody. That's what it's called. Looks like a rocking, an Adirondack rocking chair.

Josh 33:36

So special thanks to Justin and Matt, Antonio, Josh Scar, Daniel J. Buckets, and thanks for the little message there. Chicken Tom R. I P, Monique from Germany, Leo, Joey, Joey, Ryan Baker, Refined Gay Jeff, and Kate and Tony, Mark and Rachel and Dan and Gabin. Thank you so much for being the wind beneath our wings.

Amanda 33:59

I thought you were gonna say the wind and our wind chimes.

Josh 34:02

Alright, Amanda's off to the care spot.

Amanda 34:06

You're coming with me.

Josh 34:07

Uh I'm not driving myself. Who's gonna stay here with the children?

Amanda 34:12

The older child is almost 20.

Josh 34:14

Alright, then I need to take a shower then.

Amanda 34:16

You should take a shower.

Josh 34:17

Alright, we'll we'll both take a shower.

Amanda 34:19

Wee!

Josh 34:21

See y'all later.

Amanda 34:22

Bye! Oh wait! I forgot to say it, and you should know it by now, but I'll remind you go be kind. Bye. Bye.