"Please Stop Worrying, You're Nine"

This week, we're recording from our newly named pub, The Admiral's Rest,  where conversations include kidney stones, children worrying about our mortality, and how artificial intelligence is getting dumber.

We talk about the strange things kids fixate on when they're nine, the surprising number of jobs we've collected over the years, why buying used stuff feels like winning, and the growing realization that adulthood is mostly just trying to keep everyone calm while quietly Googling things yourself.

Also: dog birthdays, darts, anxiety, work, aging, treasure hunting at thrift stores, and the possibility that pickled eggs may be a government experiment.

Join us for another conversation about marriage 2.0, parenting, side quests, and whatever it is we're doing now instead of becoming responsible adults.

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Cold Open

Amanda 0:00

Welcome to Super Familiar with the Wilsons. I'm Amanda.

Josh 0:02

And I'm Josh, and we're the podcast about marriage 2.0 with kids.

Amanda 0:07

And podcast. Nope. Inside class. And perimenopause. That's what we have.

Josh 0:13

The following podcast uses words like and and also. If you're not into any of that shit, then now's your chance.

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Three, two, one.

Josh 0:23

Run.

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Welcome back to the conversation. Tell me who I'm talking to. You don't down to imagination. You want me and I am you. A million. I want to be familiar. Don't be stranger.

Kidney Stone Pain

Amanda 1:03

Welcome to Super Familiar with the Wilsons. I'm Amanda.

Josh 1:06

And I'm Josh, and we're the podcast about marriage 2.0 with kids.

Amanda 1:09

And side quests.

Josh 1:11

Amanda is playing hurt today, folks. Just want you to know that she is playing under duress. Pretty much whatever we get from her is what we get from her.

Amanda 1:20

I know. I listen, I don't know what's going on with me because I had the kidney stone, which was my second one in two years, and then I had the scan and it was clear. So it had clearly passed before I had the scan, but I'm still having pain. And it can take up to a month for everything to heal, but I'm having kidney like back kidney pain again, which is usually how it originates. And I'm going to be super annoyed if we are back into kidney stone land again. Because I'm traveling for a week starting tomorrow, and then I'm home for two days, and then I'm gone for three days, and then we're home for two weeks, and then you and I go away. Well, we bring Winthrop with us. And then we're home and then we go. Now don't get excited. The children are the the older boy people will be here. The house will not be empty. Don't get excited to come be in the pub without us. But um, yeah, I I don't have time. Like it usually during the summer, people in the education field are like, oh, this is our like, you know, our chill time. Not begrudging teachers that at all. I had it for 20 years. But now that I'm in professional learning, everything ramps up for us during the summer. So I'm just constantly traveling and I don't have time for this nonsense and this pain.

Josh 2:28

What if you have phantom kidney stone pain?

Amanda 2:31

I listen, maybe that's it. Maybe it is all in my head, but the pain is still real.

Josh 2:36

Well, it's just one of those things where they have phantom limb pain when when you lose a limb, but you still feel the so maybe the kidneys, maybe Daryl was so much a part of you.

Amanda 2:44

I thought it was Hortensia. This one was Hortensia.

Josh 2:47

Oh, I can't keep it. Daryl was the first one. It was intensia. Yeah. But whatever, whatever it was, it was so much a part of you that you in some sort of way miss it.

Amanda 2:56

I don't miss it. It's it's still with me. It's not giving me a chance to miss it. How can I miss you if you won't go away? Wait, are you not to you, to the kidney stone.

The Admiral’s Rest Pub

Josh 3:06

So we are sitting here in our pub recording, which will be our recording space from now on, unless we go on location. And we have named the pub. The pub is called the Admiral's Rest Pub. That's the name that we settled on. We went back and forth between silly ones and we took suggestions, but the end of the day is sentimentality and nostalgia won over, and we call it the Admiral's Rest.

Amanda 3:29

Yes, so it's sort of a a nod to my brother who was career navy and was was slated to make admiral, but due to a lot of um just really unfortunate things, had to retire early and um is buried at Arlington. Uh he retired as a captain. And so we have his portrait up here, we have his flag from his funeral up here, and we are calling this the Admiral's Rest.

Josh 3:55

We had a lovely family night on Twitter.

Amanda 3:58

We said it was so good, right?

Josh 4:00

Yeah, so my whole thing with this room was gonna be this is gonna be adult only, right? No, no kids in here, that this will be our little cave, our little place to come. Didn't turn out that way. Uh we all spent the evening in the pub um eating and drinking and playing darts, and it was really and playing chess as well, and it was really, really a lovely, lovely family time.

Amanda 4:23

Well, it was it was cute because Muffy decided she wanted to play darts, and so she played you. She played well, but you beat her, and then last night after dinner she got up and came in the pub and picked up the darts, and so we played and she beat me. But it's nice to have something that's not screen based that um, you know, but Winthrop, you won't let Winthrop through the darts yet. Why won't you?

Josh 4:44

Are you kidding?

Amanda 4:45

No, I'm not kidding.

Josh 4:46

I think you could do it. No, first of all, he's not regulation height. Okay. You know, this this dartboard, I had to hang it with with a uh a line and a measure because it's regulation height. He is not, you know, you must be this tall to ride this ride. He is not tall enough to throw the the darts yet.

Amanda 5:04

Okay, well, we did put up a magnetic dartboard for him out in the dining room so that he can practice.

Josh 5:09

He is maturing fast, though. This is how fast Winthrop is maturing. Today I found myself listening to him opine about the difference between hyperbole, idiom, and metaphor. And simile. Simile and got it. What is happening? I didn't know those words until two years ago, right? And what they all meant. How is he the nine-year-old now? He just whipped out these big words.

Amanda 5:35

Because he's he's a smart cookie, he pays attention in class.

Josh 5:39

I don't like it. I'm sorry? No, but I can't change it. I am not here's the thing. I am not equipped to learn any more things.

Amanda 5:47

Okay, you know those words.

Josh 5:49

No, no, no, but I'm saying in general, the things that he's learning, he's learning much quicker than I ever learned them. So it is gonna be not very long until he surpasses me intellectually.

Amanda 6:00

He might be there for both of us. I love you. I'm telling you, his IQ is higher than mine. That's fine. I accept that. Your IQ is higher than mine, so it's fine.

Josh 6:11

Yeah, no, he's he's winning right now. I do suggest that if you decide, dear listener, to build a special game room or pub room or something in your house, just set aside a little separate space. We talked about last week about how valuable I think changing up your spaces is anyway, that you should do that every now and again. And I'm not saying that you sink a bunch of money into it. We didn't sink all that much money into this.

Amanda 6:34

No, we really didn't.

Josh 6:35

Um, but just move furniture around, create a new space. Novelty is good for you, and also like the whole family appreciates the novelty. I mean, until they don't, until they're like, okay, we're bored of this pub room, and then we get to have it back to ourselves again.

Amanda 6:51

Yeah, and you know what's happening right now that you've not even noticed?

Josh 6:54

What?

Amanda 6:55

The pub pup is laying over here on the carpet and leaving you alone while you record.

Josh 6:59

Well, he was leaving me alone when he was on the chair last

Wilson’s Birthday Roast

Josh 7:02

week. That was fine.

Amanda 7:02

So Wilson the Pub Pup just had his 11th birthday. So everyone wish Wilson the Pub Pup a happy birthday.

Josh 7:12

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Winthrop’s Money Fears And Aging Worries

Josh 8:36

of Winthrop maturing, he's starting to become really obsessed with certain things. I know with certain subjects.

Amanda 8:47

Like a lot, and it's starting to really get on my nerves. But I understand it's coming from his fear of like us no longer being here. But the other day he told me he didn't want my hands to have wrinkles and went and got me lotion. Like it feels like a lot.

Josh 9:00

He told me today he didn't want my face to turn gray.

Amanda 9:04

But your face is already gray.

Josh 9:05

My facial hair is gray. But I think that he was saying he did not want me to develop a gray complexion. He did not want me to turn into, I don't know, Uncle Fester or something. Right. And then the thing that he did yesterday, we were driving in the car, and I don't even remember what we were talking about. Going to the store or something, and he said, please don't spend so much money.

Amanda 9:26

No, he asked about his college account.

Josh 9:28

Oh, I missed this.

Amanda 9:30

No, no, we were talking about his college account.

Josh 9:31

Okay, go ahead.

Amanda 9:32

And I put X amount of money in his college account each month. And he said, How much do you put in there? And I told him how much I I contribute each month. And he said, Oh, it's a lot of money. I don't want you to spend a lot of money on me. First of all, it's not a lot of money, it's a consistent amount each month, which I started when he was born, and therefore it's in decent shape. And two, like, dude, chill out. Like, everybody in this house is stressed about money. And we, I mean, I get it. I get why it happens with Muffy because I was a single mom with her when she was five and working at a private school with making very little money. And so we did have to pinch our pennies. And I think that that just, you know, that's just some trauma that that we went through. Uh, we're all okay. And I need the stuff.

Josh 10:17

Well, but it's been like a decade.

Amanda 10:19

I know, but that also like is a developmental time frame, and some of that might be hardwired in. So anyway, yeah, he was he was stressing about that yesterday, and also he injured himself and very loudly had to go into Whole Foods. You took him in.

Josh 10:35

Yeah, yeah. He well, I mean I mean he made a bad choice. He did. He was playing with a popsicle stick, broke it in half into two jagged halves, tried to jam the two jagged halves together and jammed it into his thumb. Into the nail, under the nail bed, under the nail bed, but also into the front of the thumb, which is very sensitive. You're all your fingers. And no, he was the medical term is losing his shit.

Amanda 10:58

Oh my god, so loud. I mean, and it I know it hurt because I mean you have, like you said, so many nerve endings in your fingertips. So you took him in as he's like screaming, please help me, which just must have sounded great to all the people who probably thought we were like doing something to this child or abducting him or something. You took him in, got his hand washed. I went and got a bag of ice, right? And so he's with me, and I have the cart, and we're in an aisle, and he's why does it hurt so bad? And I'm telling him about all the nerve endings. So then I was showing him my ring finger on my left hand. I don't have uh a finger on the left side of my nail bed, I only have it on the right because I had to have that cut off. And so I was trying to explain it to him, and while I did, I ran over his toes and he was wearing flip-flops with a car. And so then that became a totally different situation we had to deal with.

Josh 11:49

I missed that bit. I was out looking at the cheese. You were looking at cheese.

Amanda 11:53

I'm gonna go look at cheese, and he wandered away to go look at cheese.

Josh 11:57

That's not a euphemism.

Amanda 11:59

I know, and I'm so annoyed because the whole point of me needing to go to Whole Foods was to get the dog's dry food and totally came home without it because I was so distracted by all of the injuring that was happening to our child.

Josh 12:10

Uh getting back to this whole idea of being obsessed with age and being obsessed with money, and in general, obviously what that says to me that in his little mind, he's just like, I want and he said this before about us aging, I want things to stay how they are. Yeah, he does not want to. So this is all about safety and security for him. And really, my question is how do we think that that became a thing for him? How do we think that that developed into a concern for him? Because he has never been without. No, he has never um been in any sort of situation where he didn't feel physically secure that I'm aware of. But so where where do we think this is from?

Amanda 12:52

I mean, he is genetically predisposed to anxiety, like it that's a thing. You and I both have it in spades, and so do the kids. So that's a thing. So that's just there. That genetic predisposition is there. But also, and I'm not joking about this because I know he was young, but he lived through a global pandemic, and you know, was two or three when it started, and you know, five when he went back to school. And so I do think there's some impact from just being in a world of people who are worried about everything. You can't breathe on people, you gotta wear your mask, gotta stand in line, gotta be six feet apart. There's a there, you know, he there was a lot of fear around the world then. So I do think that that's got some lasting impact, even if he's not cognizant of that's why.

Josh 13:37

Well, there are stats that say that that yes, COVID and the the lockdowns had a profound effect on kids' anxiety. I don't know how they measured this, but there there is research that's saying that pre-pandemic anxiety rate amongst kids was around five percent. During the pandemic, eighteen percent. Um, and then the long-term effects, as you say, you know, we won't know those.

Amanda 14:03

I don't think we'll know for generations. I think a generation. Yeah, there are societal and you know, there's psychological impact, there's physical impact, and then there's um, you know, uh social. Social, that's what I was trying to say when I said societal. It's just social impact. So I mean it's just it w we don't know. We just don't know. And we're seeing it. Um, you know, we have issues with literacy rates in this country, and they are worse post COVID than they were before. Yeah, right. And I don't just mean because kids weren't in school. I mean, we're now what four years out from kids going back and they're getting worse.

Josh 14:37

Yeah.

Amanda 14:38

So yeah.

Josh 14:39

Well, I think part of that, and we don't have to get into all of this, part of that is separate from that, that the educational standards I feel like in this country are are falling at a precipitous degree. So there's that. Or are you saying that it's not that?

Amanda 14:51

No, I'm I'm saying that is the case, but that's not what I'm saying is is impacting it. Even if you kept that control group of of the curricula they're getting any, I mean, what's m changing massively um is teacher turnover. Right. So we are constantly having, you know, rather green teachers who uh mean well but don't really know how to support those striving readers yet. But that's again a little separate from the Yeah, it's not why Winthrop's worried about us aging.

Josh 15:22

Yeah, no.

Amanda 15:23

Cause he cause you can read just fine.

Josh 15:25

Any parents with kids out there who are stressed about this sort of thing and they're in the age range of Winthrop or so, eight, nine, ten, drop us a line, familiarwilsons at gmail.com, and let us know. And then if there's ways that you're dealing with it, let us know that too. Because the only thing I can think to do is just sit him down and say, Hey, I noticed that yesterday you talked about you know being concerned about too much money being spent. You know, what what spurred that thought in your mind? Do you think that that would yield any results?

Amanda 15:55

You can try. Usually he just goes, I don't want to talk about it. Can we not talk? Because he's like his older brothers.

Josh 16:00

Yes, that's it's very true. All right, well, then we're counting on you all out there, parents. Let us know what you think. Let us know what you told your kids. Familiarwilsons at gmail.com. Speaking of teacher turnover, which is such a a comedic subject we're dwelling on here.

How Many Jobs We’ve Had

Josh 16:20

I sat down the other day and I don't know what spurred this. Maybe you remember.

Amanda 16:24

Um no, you just randomly out of the blue asked me this question.

Josh 16:28

Yeah. How many jobs have you had?

Amanda 16:30

I don't even remember what I told you. I counted at the time, but I have no idea.

Josh 16:33

I've had 17 jobs over my life in 10 workplaces.

Amanda 16:37

See, that's interesting to me because I remember that my number of jobs was less than 10. I don't remember what.

Josh 16:43

I think it was 10 actually.

Amanda 16:44

Maybe. But my roles at those jobs were not different. Only one of those jobs did I go from being a classroom teacher, the one that I was at the longest, 16 years. I went from being a classroom teacher to also being the director because the director left and they needed somebody. So I was doing both. But that is the only one now. That's not true. I guess at my current job I've had lots of different roles, but and you've had a promotion at least eight years. Yeah, I went from specialist to coordinator to manager, yes. I don't know. Three promotions.

Josh 17:14

So you you get promoted to that's true.

Amanda 17:16

That's true. You've had a lot of different types of jobs though. Oh yeah, oh yeah, like really different.

Josh 17:22

I've worked telephone sales, I've been a carpet cleaner with Stanley Steamer, I've been a summer camp counselor, I've worked at an after-school program, I've worked uh with teenagers, now I work with seniors, I've done graphic design. I also included in there freelance jobs that I've gotten, like producing podcasts and all that, because that all counts because I made money doing it. So, like I said, 17 jobs in 10 workplaces. Average right now for our age, you know, who who went through the workforce when they did is around 12.

Amanda 17:57

Oh, okay. So you're you're uh an overachiever.

Josh 18:00

Uh or I can't keep a job.

Amanda 18:02

You've had this job for 10 years. I think you're doing okay.

Josh 18:04

The job before I had for like eight or nine years.

Amanda 18:06

Yeah, I think you're doing okay. This is more like when you were younger, trying to find your space in the world.

Josh 18:10

Well, also, um, when I moved to Gainesville, I had a whole mess of jobs because I was trying to find my place in Gainesville. Um, women average 12.1 jobs, men 12.5 jobs.

Amanda 18:22

Okay, so I'm lower than the female average.

Josh 18:24

But if you look at the ages 18, 24, so young, young people right now, um, 5.7 jobs.

Amanda 18:31

That was interesting.

Josh 18:33

And medium uh tenure right now at any given job is 3.9 years.

Amanda 18:40

Whoa, that's low.

Josh 18:41

They used to say, you know, you can't have a bunch of jobs for a short amount of time, that that looks really bad on the resume. That was a that was a um red flag. But it says here that Gen Z is projected to have up to 17 jobs over seven different careers.

Amanda 18:59

Oh, that's seven is a lot. I mean, we look more at it, it doesn't look great when you've bounced around a lot still. What we look at when I I serve on a lot of hiring committees. Um so we look at that, right? But also in academia, it could be that you had like research postings or whatever that that you know the funding shifted, but also we look at gaps. Like why do you have this gap?

Josh 19:20

And what do you also think gaps are a little bit more forgivable now, too, because people do they take time off, maybe they do their own thing, which used to not look good on resume as well. Oh, you're self-employed. Does that basically mean that you sat around and you know did whatever? No, that is like produce podcasts. That's right, which I have. Come on now. Gen Z is predicted to have um 17 jobs over their working lifetime. One century ago, four jobs per life.

Amanda 19:47

That's really interesting. I do think that that 18 to 25 demographic or whatever that range was that you gave was five jobs, though. I would think that that's probably not changed much because I think that's the time in your life when you're really just you know bouncing around from like part-time work and trying to figure out who you're and like summer jobs, you know, or whatever. Many, many. I mean, the most of my jobs were in that time because I worked retail while I was in high school and college. So, you know, I did things like Bath and Body Works, Victoria's Secret, and Hickory Farms. So, you know, if you need me to slice up some summer sausage for you and put it, give it to you on a toothpick, I can do that. I am qualified.

Josh 20:26

Is that what you did in Victoria's Secret? You dealt with summer sausages. Summer sausages.

Amanda 20:30

I was only seasonal at Hickory Farms, it was only during the holidays. It was a kiosk in the middle of the mall.

Josh 20:37

Um Victoria's Secret kiosk?

Amanda 20:41

Hickory Farms kiosk. Oh, Victoria's Secret I worked at.

Josh 20:44

I don't know how Hickory how uh Victor hated working at Victoria's Secrets. I know because you've had the men come in and say, you look my wife's.

Amanda 20:56

Like we have to steam it and make it look pretty, but the quality's just not worth the amount. Like I had the hardest time trying to sell people, even back then, a $40 bra that's not like a $60 bra that I'm like, you don't, I mean, it's really not gonna be.

Josh 21:09

You would say that because I can't imagine they wouldn't have to be able to do that.

Amanda 21:11

I didn't really try hard. Um, and you didn't make commission, but your hours were based on your sales, right? So obviously, if you're a good salesperson, the more, you know, the more hours you get. It was fine, but I quit it to go work at camp.

Josh 21:22

Oh, okay, very good. Um, some things that have changed about the workforce right now, the end of company loyalty. Companies aren't as loyal to their employees as they used to be. I'm not even going to talk about downsizing in favor of AI. I'm just talking about how the economic landscape has made it so that benefits aren't as good. The companies are a little bit more cutthroat and they're a little bit more. I mean, granted, they've always been about the bottom line, but I think that there's been at least a veneer of a social responsibility that I think is corroding at this point.

Amanda 21:56

Yeah, I can see that.

Josh 21:58

There are more jobs that exist. exists now. So there's more we've gone away from okay, you're a a farmer or a factory worker or this and that. And it's what's called the knowledge economy now, where there are several skills that you can take that are transferable across a lot of different career choices. Yeah, yeah.

Amanda 22:14

Or career choices. Yeah.

Josh 22:16

And having a bunch of different jobs, not a red flag the way it used to be. Yeah. And I think that the pandemic screwed that all up as well. Yeah. Because people had to get super creative remotely and all this and that. And some people just didn't want to go back.

Amanda 22:29

It's, I mean, it's a thing that I, you know, that we see um because, you know, universities during the pandemic, everybody went to work from home and, you know, pivoted really well. And then then there was a hybrid when we came back, there was, you know, across the state universities would do you could work, you know, two days from home and three days in the office. And that was taken away this year by the state. And it's not gone well. I mean morale is low. And I'm not talking specifically at my work, just across universities in the state because people were like, we proved that we could do it. You gave us this like you were saying I believe in you and I trust you to do your job and giving you this, you know, this freedom to do it. And then it was taken away and everybody was and it was driven from um you know we've got these offices that are empty and people aren't using them. And then it's you know this appearance of you got to be in the the offices and stuff and and it's um it's there I mean people are leaving to find work from home positions.

Josh 23:31

Another thing that I noticed I was talking to a friend who's looking at making a job change because he's in a salary negotiation right now. And the fact of the matter is you're going to get more money if you go do your job at another company because they will value the newness of you right they will spend more to replace the person that they're replacing to hire you. And then converse to that the people at your company they're not going to give you as big of a promotion or or a salary rise as you would get by going somewhere else because you're you're already there doing you're the burden hand right yeah your value to them is a little less because they're figuring and hoping oh well he or she's not going to take the effort to move we're getting value for our dollar right now.

Amanda 24:21

That's one of those things that's really difficult in academia especially when you're like on um professor tracks is that people will use your job opening as leverage to get more money at their current position. And so you go through this but we all know it. Like we all know we're doing this thing where maybe you want to come and maybe you don't right and and so that's that's a really it just feels yucky.

Josh 24:48

Well it feels yucky but also like you're probably I think that people trade security for an extreme rise in salary. So you might get more if you go from working at Wind Dixie to Publix. But if you can get a bit of a percentage of a salary rise from from where you're at then you're not going to make the jump because there's less hassle. Yeah but now I tend to think I I'm the opposite as whereas like I enjoy you know w walking into a new thing. Like I like that it's interesting to me.

Amanda 25:20

I like the comfort of I like the comfort of what I have but you understand what I'm saying is not that they're trying to jump to get more money at a new space. They're using that as levers for their job to give them more money.

Josh 25:31

Yes but they're probably not going to get as much as so they they probably say okay well this workplace offered me this can you at least come up to whatever like three quarters of the way and then the your place of business now still feels like they got a steal and you feel like oh at least I don't need to move I will settle for less but it's still settling it's still them like feeling like they got something from you and you settling for a win.

Amanda 25:56

I don't want any more promotions. I don't want any more raises I already have to pay that is not the subliminal message of this episode for you I know but I'm just saying I'm already so annoyed at the amount of taxes that I have to pay I just don't I don't want any more thank you. I'm ha I mean I just figured out the right amount to get like not have to pay the government back on April 15th. So can we just not thank you.

Josh 26:20

Now would that be a hyperbole idiom or metaphor?

Amanda 26:23

Um I don't know it might be a hyperbole but actually I don't want to owe this government any more money.

Josh 26:29

So there's that how many jobs have you had out there let us know familiarwilsons at gmail.com how many jobs and then if you want to get really grandular tell me how many job positions you've had in how many workplaces you you've had that's very interesting to me.

Amanda 26:45

Why are you making this is it granular or grandular? Because you put a D in there but I don't think that's the word.

Josh 26:51

Well at least I didn't say glandular.

Amanda 26:53

I know that's what I was thinking of so then that's why I like had that look on my face was like wait is he talking about glands? I'm so confused.

Josh 26:59

I don't know why don't you ask our brainiac nine year old who knows better than than me and go find him. As a service to you the Wilsons are tracking the dumbing down of artificial intelligence.

AI Getting Dumber

Josh 27:14

Join us won't you something happened that really really annoyed I know I was there for it. So in the pub I've got a pub playlist that I play every time I'm in the pub the only reason why it's not playing now is because we are sitting in here but I am not y in fact I play this playlist while I'm at work doing work and I I don't know it's just a measure of comfort this group of songs now so I'm very comfortable you had it on the car the other day. So it's no longer a pub playlist well no but it still gives me that that feeling pubby feeling but there was one song it's a cover it's a cover of the song Such Great Heights by the Postal Service it's a cool cover it's with with um I think fiddle and and cello and guitar and harmony. It's just a really nice cover. I think I like it better than an original but I couldn't remember who did it and you asked oh who's this by and I said well this is a cover of a song you know and it's by blank and I couldn't remember so I asked the device that it was playing on the device that was pulling from the playlist on my phone so all of the information was there. It had everything that I could possibly give it so it would know what it was doing, right? Thank God it actually played the right song because when I asked it oh who's this song by it said oh this is such great heights by the Postal Service I'm like no it's not then I asked my Siri what song is this and then my Siri gave the correct answer. How is it that this machine that I had fed the information to it had gone to its own internal CD rack and put the CD in yes but did not remember what the CD case apparently said and said the wrong band.

Amanda 29:03

You should have told her and then to see what she would say because that happens to me sometimes like if I'm if I'm using AI which I try really hard not to use excessively if if I'm trying using it at work I use it more like a thought partner or a hey I need five peer-reviewed scholarly articles on blank it will go and pull them from for me and then I can go to my library and find it's like I have found better success with that than the search engine at the library. But sometimes it'll be wrong and then I'll say actually da da da like a mansplain to it and then it says back oh you're right I was wrong. So you should have said to the AI device that sits there in the window that she was wrong and see what she said.

Josh 29:44

But that's not no that's not how this is supposed to go.

Amanda 29:47

Oh you can't trust it for anything it's getting stupider. This is what it's getting dumber because we are feeding less intelligent people's things into it.

Josh 29:58

It's just like a version of my nine year old kid this this AI now because it it talks like it knows what it's talking about. Very confident and it's just as dumb as I am I actually trust the nine year old kid more than I trust the AI. It's not it's not right. It's not good. I don't like it. And I don't think it knows the difference between now that it's a machine and just the the regular dumb guy because I was accessing one the other day and talking about or asking about something about human nature like you know just wondering is there research on I don't remember what the topic was it doesn't matter because what it responded with was oh you know sometimes uh we tend to think that and I'm like wait we tend to think together we accumulatively and I asked I said you just referred to yourself with with we meaning that you are a part of this human aggregate that we're talking about and it said oh no I'm just a tool I'm like okay so then I go back and again it says oh you know as humans it even said that it said as humans we tend to think that no no you're not human friend oh this is beyond frightening now and again I'm not even talking about the environmental impact which is absolutely a thing I'm talking about now these machines are dumb with more access to information than we have. Yep that can't be good. No so I I want to become a Luddite I want to forsake all of these things it's just that I don't have enough shelves in my house to have enough books to access all the information that I'm curious about. And you know if I call someone which is by the way the best way to apprehend information as far as I'm concerned you talk to another human being they'll just access it on their phone and then they'll regurgitate. So now it's gone from the machines learning from us to us learning from the machines and this feedback loop is just like taking us way down the trail of dumb.

Amanda 32:06

Yep. Yeah I don't know it's I don't have anything good to tell you about it. And you know what I had something in my brain but because perimenopause it's gone and now I don't I don't know anything.

Josh 32:18

Should we ask AI? No was Amanda just thinking what was I thinking I don't want it to talk I don't what if what if the machines develop perimenopause cranky machines oh god they're gonna be so annoyed when you ask and you're gonna be like don't don't talk to me don't ask me don't look at me imagine asking Alexa for this and that and she's like leave me alone don't talk to me right now the world will crash when the AI starts to exhibit those grumpy so how old it's like another 50 years though or no like how old is AI right now?

Amanda 32:51

I don't know like three ish.

Josh 32:54

Probably closer to five or six so we've got a a good like 45 years before it just starts to turn feral oh no you can parametops can start in your 40s. Okay well good early 40 well I'm I'm gonna be dead by then so not my problem I mean Winthrop is concerned that you will be yeah well he's gonna drive me in 40 years you'll be 95.

Amanda 33:14

Will you be gray by then? Will your face be gray?

Josh 33:17

My face will definitely be gray when I'm 95 I dose meal no one likes to be told what to do.

Buy Used Things

Amanda 34:01

Now's the time in the podcast where we tell you what to do. Josh, what should they do?

Josh 34:05

I am not into consumerism. I don't want to always own new things in fact we had a moratorium on Amazon purchasing up until there were a couple of things that we simply could not get for the pub. Now as far as I'm concerned we're back on the moratorium to Amazon. Yes we need to purchase things no it doesn't need to be new so I cannot emphasize enough for you to look at thrift shops or other places that have gently used or not so gently used things sometimes you can refurnish things that you can refurbish or refurnish and yesterday we went to Reuse Planet here in Gainesville where son Daniel works the oldest son Daniel it's where we got our beautiful um dining room table that we love it's where we got a lot of the furnishings for this pub and I picked up a little shelf and four glasses and Amanda got a shirt for $16, right? Yep and they're perfectly fine they they suit our needs perfectly and I feel better about it because we didn't spend as much money.

Amanda 35:09

Yeah you're good. By the way Amanda doesn't like to buy glasses used that's the one thing that I've learned about no no you're telling the story wrong Amanda went to Goodwill and bought $16 worth of barware right but and got really cool pieces. There is one glass that was a little bit cloudy. I bought it anyway because it matched one of the other ones like it's this super cool like cocktail glass but it's square yeah and it's really cool. I love it. I know that that clouding fogginess because that's what happens when we have a glass up and people are using it when they brush their teeth because it's the toothpaste residue right so when I brought these glasses home I ran it through the sanitize function on the dishwasher and that was still a little foggy. It's because it needs to be bleached okay I don't want it and you tried to give it to me the other day and I didn't want it but then I realized you actually did you had given it to Andrew and I was fine with him having it. And he was fine having it like he knew like we talked about it. It wasn't like I was trying to sneak it on him he knew and he was fine. So he also loved the pickled eggs.

Josh 36:12

Yeah he did take we got a whole big thing we talked about it last week of pickled eggs and Andrew took the pickled eggs. First of all I was happy of just keeping as a display piece but Amanda wasn't gonna have that so she was going to give it to some friends or something. I don't remember the story doesn't matter Andrew comes over I'm like hey andrew you wanna you want to take these he's like oh I'll try it I'm like what he's like I'll try it and so he busts one out and then he eats it and he likes the fucking thing. I could not believe it. And first of all they are red I thought that the juice that it came in was red the pickled eggs are bright red naturally bright red it absorbs the red dyes gross gross looked like it came from a bee horror movie gross. So though I had to try it you know because I couldn't let my my middle son eat this thing and have me be like oh you don't want to have it oh I can't have me can't eat it. So I I took a quarter of a bite into that shit and spit that right out I don't even have the words to describe the taste except maybe to say that it was more egg than I've ever tasted of egg before and it was bad.

Amanda 37:22

Did it taste pickly? Like did you taste the vinegar I couldn't even say that it tasted pickly because I've tasted pickles and I've tasted vinegar and then there was this and weirdly the the solution it was in did something to the white because it was very little egg white and mostly yolk right mostly what? Yolk yoke yolk mostly yolk yolk anyway Andrew ate two of them two of them and then ate the half of the one you didn't eat and then took the jar home with him.

Josh 37:53

Well yes he ate two and a half hard boiled eggs and I love him so much. I I love spending time with him but I was anxious for him to fuck off because I didn't know when that would hit the lower digestive tract and I didn't want to clean up after that so so he he took his eggs and he he left I let my friend know who brought it to me for my birthday that Andrew will have protein for a long time thanks to him and he was very happy I don't know man if he eats two and a half per day he's gonna be through that right quick yeah also he's gonna be without roommates but that's a different story. Back to what we were saying though is that go buy used buy second hand buy third hand do not buy new just don't do it. And they say don't buy new cars you know because cars instantly depreciate I'm saying don't buy new anything if you can help it you all get quite a a few clothes used I don't buy new clothes.

Amanda 38:49

Yeah my clothes either come from thrift stores here or consignment or I I I sell stuff on Poshmark and then I just keep the balance and then buy things for myself on that balance. So I've I've hit a pretty good barter trade system with clothes.

Josh 39:03

Well unless of course you're buying the three dollar dress from Aldi that's a thing that you do I do buy new Aldi clothes.

Amanda 39:10

I do I don't even I'm not even ashamed.

Josh 39:13

I get so many comments I was wearing Aldi jeans the other day and somebody was like those jeans look really nice I said thanks are from Aldi of course they are caca oh I had forgotten about the caca I hadn't heard that in a while all right so that's the uh the recommendation I have for you buy secondhand of course you are not um buying new you're not putting stuff into the landfill and that's always good you're saving stuff from the landfill also it's really really fucking fun to find a deal you know it feels like a it's like a treasure hunt. Because usually when I go shopping it's very begrudging very begrudging in fact I will often when I go shopping I will take something off of the shelf and I will walk around and end up before I leave putting it back on the shelf I know those about you.

Amanda 39:56

I don't need it I don't want to spend that money on it.

Josh 39:58

I have anticipatory buyer's remorse but not when I get stuff for three dollars.

Amanda 40:03

Yep that just makes me happy you have a $3 shelf that you have put Winthrop soccer trophy on.

Josh 40:09

That's right. Oh yeah with soccer is over by the way and he probably shan't ever play it again he's he's done with with his soccer career I think luckily it did not end on an injury which by the way had a little injury had like a legit injury at this last game where where a small child called Dominic who was dominating by the way on the other team and I think that one of the the dudes on our team kind of took him out on purpose. You think so is I thought it was an accident oh yes that's how good Cooper was it was Cooper who took him out.

Amanda 40:42

Cooper's good at hiding that that little sly tackle there but yeah yep yeah I think we're done with soccer but he ended on a high note he did get a trophy that we put in the pub they ended in a tie granted all of the kids who played in the league got a trophy but and the trophy just says soccer like it says it just says soccer got a soccer ball and I heard him ask uh Muffy if if she thought that that was AI because now he's trying to suss it out.

Josh 41:09

All right so there you go. Buy used and tell us of the coolest thing that you've purchased used. Write us at familiarwilsons at gmail.com and tell us all right Amanda that's all there is there is no more what'd you think of all that mess?

Amanda 41:32

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Thanks Shoutouts And Wrap-Up

Amanda 41:33

mean it's the same thing I think every time you make me do it.

Josh 41:36

No I liked it Jesus folks I was like Amanda you're in pain we really don't have to record today if you don't want to and she's like no uh we have to do it now what I did say don't tell them what I said no I'm gonna tell them I said well are are you gonna be up for it are you gonna be into it she said yeah whatever I said well are we gonna give the listeners something that they will enjoy listening and she said well they can suck it I don't really care if you enjoy this or not I'm doing it and you will like it oh help help please help me help I'm going away okay all right so we want to thank the following people for making our lives just so fantastic Antonio and Josh Scar, Daniel J. Buckets, Chicken Tom, RAP, Matt Monique from Germany, Joey Joey, Ryan Baker, Leo, Refined Gay Jeff, Mark and Rachel, Tony and Kate and Dan and Gavin. Thank you also to Ricky Kendall, Gainesville favorite for our theme song and Chris Barron of the Spin Doctors for our little hey super familiar with the Wilsons thing that he says. Also Chris Barron loves the pub by the way I have invited him. I sent him pictures he thought that I was he didn't know you were handy. He said he didn't know that I was handy I said fuck yeah I'm handy. And also thank you to AJCW for the song that you're listening to right now but also for taking these damn eggs out of our house and my apologies to his roommates. All right Amanda that's all we have until next week folks write us if you have anything to say to us or to complain about Josh is done with this episode. Familiar with us at gmail.com until next week folks y'all take it easy go be kind bye bye