FIFA Is Corrupt and Dating Fails with Gavin Belson

We invited Gavin from Be There With Belson over to talk about the World Cup, and for a few glorious minutes we actually stayed on topic. We get into soccer gatekeeping, why everyone becomes an elite tactical genius every four years, whether FIFA deserves your trust, and the surprisingly wholesome side of a tournament that somehow convinces billions of strangers to care about the same thing at the same time.

Then the conversation wanders off like a toddler in the ALDI center aisle. We end up discussing modern dating, self-worth, perimenopause, medieval beer, coffee, conspiracy theories, and when your friends should have veto power over your dating profile.

Also, Gavin may have the greatest collection of "How did this happen to me?" stories of any human we've ever met.

Topics include: World Cup, soccer, football fandom, FIFA, Premier League, dating apps, self-worth, conspiracy theories, history trivia, Flashbacks, and whatever happened in the ten minutes we forgot to stay on topic.

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Cold Open And Content Warning

SPEAKER_02 0:00

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 0:01

I mean there's a yeah, no, there's a there's a lot of um yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh there's a lot of stories Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

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Josh 0:17

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SPEAKER_00 0:25

Three, two, one run. Welcome back to the conversation. Tell me who I'm talking to. Get on down to imagination. You are me and I am you. Familiar. Don't be stranger.

Amanda 1:09

Amanda.

Josh 1:10

And I'm Josh. And I'm Gavin. 2.0 with kids. And all the side quests.

Amanda 1:18

Usually you say kids and I say side quests.

Josh 1:20

Jesus, we can't fucking get through one one.

Amanda 1:22

Well, you fucked it up, not me.

Josh 1:26

From the Be There With Belson podcast, he is currently, currently, right now as we speak, he's in England.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Uh, because, and this is a revolutionary thing. I'm English.

Amanda 1:39

This is where I live.

Josh 1:41

So we have Gavin on today to talk about a couple of different things that are are, or at least one of them is germane to current topics. The

World Cup Fandom Without Gatekeeping

Josh 1:49

World Cup just ended, and the Wilson family got way into the World Cup. First of all, as someone who is a proper football fan, when when people like me all of a sudden get into it, are you like, oh, that makes me so happy? Are you like, you know, this is my sport, you you don't know what you're talking about, leave it alone.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Um no, I I don't want to gatekeep it. I think it's great when uh people who're not necessarily interested in football beforehand get into it. I think that's great. Um, anyone who enjoys sport in general or anything like that, I always say the sport is has greater drama than any drama you can ever write. It's got that there's that beauty to it, it's got everything you want, really. I do have some issues.

Josh 2:39

Oh, let's hear them all. Oh, go ahead. You mean with us or in general?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

No, not not with you. Um it's the people who have very strong opinions about either particular players or tactics or things like that who don't have the knowledge to back that up. That's the problem with a World Cup or a big event like that. That's everybody decides they're an expert at that point. It's one of the reasons that I don't like watching football in pubs, is because I'm surrounded by people who will irritate me immensely because they don't know what they're talking about.

Amanda 3:18

We call those people armchair quarterbacks here because they will happily yell at every coach and every player, but yet not have ever played the sport and or have like the deep historical knowledge to understand. I mean, sometimes they're right, but also it it it really bothers me too.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

It's it's fine to, you know, it's fine to enjoy it and like who you like and all of that, absolutely. It's just there's a lot of bad takes.

Josh 3:43

Um, come with the receipts, for example. Bad takes. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

I don't want to insult your country.

US Media Hype And Bad Takes

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Um I yes, you do. Um so the pre-tournament um talk about the US national side from your broadcasters was insane. The ranking of the of the US players way too high. Pulisic being the obvious one. No, I'm not having it anywhere. The talking like oh, top 20 in the world, all that sort of stuff. No, not even close. Failed at my club.

Josh 4:25

Um well, I was gonna say when I first became aware of him, I became aware of him because I heard some announcers talking about this American in Chelsea who was the LeBron James of football.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Yeah, so that's a great clip, isn't it? From um what's that that show where they uh the oh like that? I don't even know what you call it. Uh like that pawn shop thing where the guy takes us the signed shirt in um and he's like, uh yeah, he's uh this is uh signed Pulisit shirt, and uh the other guy goes, Oh, like his uh so he's like the l LeBron James the soccer, and we're like, not even close.

Amanda 5:03

Antiques virtual? No, I think it's pawn stars.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

I think yeah, I think it's porn stars. Um God, I thought it was in the porn shop.

Josh 5:10

I was like, Am I gonna have to edit this out?

SPEAKER_01 5:12

So yeah, that that that became a

World Cup Stories That Restore Faith

SPEAKER_01 5:14

thing. Um the thing I enjoyed most about the World Cup this year, one, how well on the whole everyone got on. That was nice, and also the smaller nations did quite well, which I really I was really on board with that. That whole story in Virginia so much, genuinely. Yeah, I mean those those sorts of things. Big thing was for as as an English person, um, our match in Mexico against Mexico, where everything beforehand was a lot of don't go certain areas, it's very dangerous, blah blah blah. Everyone got on so well there that uh the plan now is for Mexico to come to England and uh be the first friendly after the World Cup is to have Mexico visit us.

Amanda 6:02

So I love that.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Uh, the the fun was the Mexicans afterwards, after they lost, was just say, Oh yeah, yeah, we want you to win this now. You go and win it. Right. Spoiler alert, we did not do that. And I think somebody really summed out quite well when they said, uh, if the world cup's shown us anything, that if we didn't have our leaders, the people of the world would largely just get on.

Amanda 6:26

Yeah, I saw that too. It's something similar, like that it shows us that our issues are with the leaders, not with the actual citizens of the world. And also I saw one that was like the World Cup is like the sleepover the cousins have when the adults aren't getting along or something like that. But I mean I mess it up. But yeah, I I think all of the human interest stories, and for us here, it was the Scots and Boston. You guys got that footage over there, but the Scots were just they actually drank Boston dry of beer. And so she's um she's in Boston now, and she had just gotten there right before like the the match matches started in Boston, and she was just sending pictures all the time and just and bit just so charming, and um and I I just I love that so much. And we were in Miami when um some of the games were being played, and it was fun because we were watching or worried about them going to Miami because it's a very different environment from New England to Florida, and Miami in and of itself is just very different. But then I saw like videos of of people outside like pass passing out Cuban coffee and like you know to all of the Scots, and so it's it was really sort of this lovely, like, you know, yeah, all the grown-ups can't get along, but we all really like each other. When you know, we were looking at countries where the you know the the government is horrible, but you don't vilify the team. Flags. Like we were he wanted to do a uh like name that flag video on YouTube the other day, and Josh was like, This is gonna be boring, and it Name a country, and Josh was like, That's not it, and it would be, and it was like, but he sees something once, he's he's got a really good memory for it. Photography and countries, and so I I do love sort of that whole that whole piece of it, especially corrupt, yes, you would agree.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Oh,

FIFA Corruption And Final Conspiracies

SPEAKER_01 8:21

yeah, I mean you just have to look at um Argentina's run. The former leader of uh FIFA Set Blatter, incredibly corrupt man, took a lot of money, lot of money, uh came out and said, Oh yeah, infantino's gotta go. This has been this has been too this has been too corrupt. I'm like, yeah, we know, but you're saying it. There was no real way of hiding it. Um the games showed that out. There's the statistics show that out. It's um outrageous. And it's uh one of those weird things that if well, pretty much everyone felt Spanish um in that final. Yeah.

Josh 9:02

Now, uh, do you give any credence to the the conspiracy theory that says that that Argentina in the locker room before the final was given the ultimatum? Lose this game, or else you'll be banned from the next few um World Cups. Have you heard that? Yeah, no, that that's the thing. They said that you hear it on TikTok. Yes, not say the idea is that they had come out with the banner talking about the Falkland Islands at the um the end of their victory against the English, they had this banner, and the theory is that because they had banner uh no, I hadn't heard that.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

I mean, obviously, yeah, they did have the the banner, and we can get into the banner if you want, um, but it it there there is a thing where there's supposed to be no political statements and things like that in in the World Cup. I would be surprised if FIFA even looked at banning them um as a realistic option just because it's Argentina and that's a massive nation. Um I also I don't give anything to the fact that they uh were convinced to lose, they just weren't good enough. And as soon as they came up against a good team, they struggled.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Mm-hmm.

Josh 10:29

So you sound like you believe this thing. There's video of them in the tunnel before going out for the final where they're a bunch of them are crying, and both of you take a sip of your alcohol where they're crying, and Messi is giving them a pep talk. Um, none of them looked happy to be there beforehand. The tactics that the different tactics than he had used in any of the previous games fishy, something stinks.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, so Messi's an interesting one because they don't really uh well until fairly recently they didn't consider him Argentinian in Argentina um because of he never played in Argentina, um, so he was always an outsider. Tactics, I'd say the tactics were similar to the tactics they used against us. Um where they they didn't, they were just incredibly well over physical, um, didn't necessarily try and win until they went a goal down. Uh the final, they I think they knew they were out class, so they just tried essentially not to lose. Their plan seemingly was to try and get to penalties and back themselves to win there, which is not a way to win a game. Um, had Spain finished better, um, it could have been a massive score. Um, there was a lot of shots that were straight at the goalkeeper, which was again very disappointing. And as my brother Dan said, because he had to get up for work the next day, when it went to extra time, I just said, Oh no, not 30 more minutes of this.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

So there you go. It was not a good watch, but again, most finals generally aren't as as a result of all this, most of us were.

Josh 12:15

Yeah,

Choosing A Club And Player Backstory

Josh 12:16

but as a result of all this now, we are absolutely all in on you know, and and we've adopted already our our teams that we're gonna follow.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

And I'm backing Chelsea, Gavin, because I just felt like you somebody in this house needed to.

Josh 12:33

It's wonderful, Gavin. How does it feel getting the pity?

Amanda 12:36

No, me and her husband, herdo, are Chelsea fans, and so I feel like I have somebody I can talk about. I'm gonna invite Britney to watch Chelsea matches in the pub.

Josh 12:47

Oh, well, that's cool.

Amanda 12:50

Afterwards, but I'm sure that you've you've seen this going around the socials that the player who scored the winning goal for Spain had it sounds kind of like a Simone Biles sort of situation where he had taken time off. Is this not true? Because don't ruin this for me, because I was happy to No, no.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

I mean, there's a yeah, no, there's a there's a lot of um yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh there's a lot of stories you you got trapped there, and I don't I'm not sure why. Um there's a lot of good stories that came out of Spain. Yeah, and this one player that plays with his hair down is autistic and when he's playing, so he wait like look, I just so that's that's Mark Cucarea, uh used to play for Chelsea, was still technically a Chelsea player at the time of the World Cup, um, has is now going to Real Madrid. Big part of his thing is he's got a he's got three sons, I think it is. Um, and one of them uh this is how bad I know too much. Um his son Mateo um is autistic. The reason he chose to go to Madrid is that they could find the schools and the therapists in in Madrid that he needed. That's why he was happy to be in London because he had access to those things. And yeah, he keeps his he has his hair down and it's big and it's curly, and it's so his son, when he's playing, can pick out who's his who his dad is. And he is one of those players, though, that I love him because he plays or he played for us. Opposition fans quite often hate him. Um, he's one of one of those players. There's a lot of them about, but if they play for you, you love them. If they play for somebody else, you can't stand them.

Amanda 14:30

What's been really also cool is watching Winthrop then figure out which Premier League players were in different countries, and then like that's also been cool because when you come into it, going, This is this person is a Spanish player, this person, and then realizing that they are playing, you know, in in these clubs that he's heard about, that's been fun for him too. That's all. I'm done. You're both looking. I'll drink more wine now out of my bottle.

Gavin’s Unhinged Lunch Date

Josh 15:38

Now you're very open about this, which shocks me because some of the stories that you tell, there's no way I'd tell anyone else that this happened to me. Story uh from Gavin's dating life, shall we?

SPEAKER_01 15:51

I can tell you a recent one. Probably the last date I went on. I don't date often, and when I do, these sorts of things happen, so that's probably why I don't date so often. As is quite often the way these days. Matched with a girl on an app, uh, started talking for a little bit. She's an actress. It didn't go well the previous actresses. Let's not recap that story. People can go back and find that on one of my previous visits to your podcast.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Whatever that episode is.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

That one had a trigger warning on probably not gonna have to have that this time. Anyway, so matched with the this I love that you're probably not. Matched with this young lady. Um, talk for a little bit. She sends me her show reel. Yep, that actually happened.

Josh 16:38

What maybe she was just unsure of which app or she's on so many apps because there are apps for you know for audition. For tally. By the show reel, did it win you over?

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Yeah, no, I was like, it's not something I have or do. So yeah, I'm impressed by that. I'm impressed by anybody who does something, especially if something you can't do. I always find that impressive. So that's fine. She wants to go to a certain restaurant. We're gonna go for lunch. I've had a look at the menu. For the listeners that don't know I'm vegan, there were limited options for me, let's say. I had one option, so it makes life easier. Uh no, it was um it was a burger of sorts. So we go along, everything's fine. I have to go and pick her up first. She's late. Uh what can you do? She arrives at the station, gets in the car, I drive her to the restaurant, all fine so far. We get out, she starts, uh, she lights up a joint in the car park and she says, It's okay, I've got a prescription. And I said, Okay, fine.

Amanda 17:43

It's m it's met medical marijuana is legal in the UK or in England?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah, I'm not sure about that. Uh but yeah, we'll let it go. So then we we go in, everything's fine, woman shows us things, it's all good. Everything's fine so far. We start talking about things, and we get on to her her past. So she was married previously. My age, it's likely that that's gonna be the case, to be honest. Um, she said that she got married to her ex-husband because he was very religious and wanted to have sex, and so they got married.

Amanda 18:20

Dude, it's really prominent in evangelical spaces.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Alright, go ahead. I don't, I don't uh yeah, go ahead. Um, but then they moved to New York. She went to a lot of New York acting schools. She named some. I'd heard of one. Yeah, that sounds cool. She also did some photography stuff and blah blah blah. I was like, okay, yeah, that's that's fun. And then she told me that her husband and his mother tried to poison her.

Josh 18:48

I had some gigs in acting, I took some photos too, and by the way, that's not an and by the way. Like, as your storytelling, it's gonna be like, oh, I gotta tell you this thing about me that's pretty crazy, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I mean, first dates are a lot of let me tell you this about me. You tell me this about you. Like it's that it's that sort of thing, isn't it? But I mean, it was early on to be leading with this.

Josh 19:07

I almost got poisoned by an in-law, is like date number three, uh, in my estimation. Uh possibly, possibly.

Amanda 19:15

I mean, because I'm immediately, and this is bad because this is not victim, I guess this is victim blaming, but I'm immediately, well, what did you do to warrant the poisoning? Jesus. I know, it's horrible. What is he? I'm setting feminism back like 50 years.

Josh 19:29

This story, as we're going through this now, how am I the ally to women and you're not?

Amanda 19:34

I just think oh I just well, first of all, I dated two actors because of my my undergrads in theater. I dated two actors and swore them off. Friend, they are dramatic. Like, this is not this is not a space in which you want to to be settling your life in.

Josh 19:47

Any normal, like not dramatic actors out there. I apologize for my wife. Gavin, best that you keep keep talking now.

Amanda 19:54

I mean, the one I dated slipped his arm open and wrote I love you in blood and gave it to me. So, like, they're they're they're they're a lot. Anyway, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

I I I mean, I would also say any non-uh dramatic actors, feel free to get in touch. Um actually, dramatic actors get in touch as well.

Amanda 20:12

You know, I'll have another real have you been poisoned.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

I'll have another store for a story for you again, then won't I? Um, anyway, so poison. Poisoning happens. She then claims to have had a heart attack due to the poisoning. Nobody believed her. When the paramedics arrived, they didn't believe her. She thought she was having some sort of mental health episode, didn't take her to ED, took her to a mental health facility. She was there a while. A nurse believed her, is what she said. They took her to the ED at that point. She also tells me that uh while she's in the mental health facility, somebody collapses and she does CPR to revive them because the grandfather on her mother's side was a doctor and she felt his spirit work through her. Which at that point, bearing in mind my medical background, I'm thinking I'm probably not the person to tell this story to.

Amanda 21:06

Also, this might be due to the THC in her system. I would like to point out.

Josh 21:11

Oh, that's a good point.

Amanda 21:13

So I didn't know about the THC the first time I heard the spirit story, and now I'm thinking that maybe that was a little bit of that. But no, she clearly believes this.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Then she tells me that because of the hospitalization, uh, when she gets out, she's she was living homeless in New York for a while, and then she was in shelters, and there was some uh she would tell me stories of people in there as well.

Amanda 21:39

Oh god, how long was this lunch?

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Three hours or so.

Amanda 21:43

No, friend.

Josh 21:44

Oh no. Um at what point during this three hour lunch, like at what time mark, were you trying to plan your escape?

SPEAKER_01 21:53

I've got to drive at home.

Josh 21:55

Um, but still, you have to transition to I gotta get this woman to agree to get. Back in my car. Now, I may be selling you short. It's it may have been there's a point where you switch from okay, this is not relationship material, but can I get a nice shag out of this? Like at what what's happening in your mind?

SPEAKER_03 22:12

That's not Gavin.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Um, so in my mind, I'm thinking, this sounds insane. A lot of this sounds insane. Um, well, we'll ride out today, and that'll probably be it.

Josh 22:28

Right, but what type of riding were you thinking? This is my point of view.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

No, no, no, no.

Amanda 22:33

You don't want that crazy in your bed.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

No. Um, talk to her about my life a little bit in amongst all of this. Um, and I just uh we end up talking about family, talk about my grandfather, she starts crying. Anytime I talk about my family in any way, she starts crying because apparently I have a good relationship with my family and she wishes she had that. There's part of you that really doesn't want to start thinking, I can see why you don't. You're trying to hold that up anyway. Eventually, the we get to the end of the day, or the end of lunch. I pay so we can leave. Back out to the car. I have to wait again for her there because she has to smoke again now.

Amanda 23:16

Well, yeah, because she's now like just really worked up and sad.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Because you fucking triggered her, man. What's wrong with you? Keep going on.

Amanda 23:22

I didn't do anything. You're a good grandfather.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I take her, I take her home, give her a hug in the car, away we go, all good. She then messages me when I'm driving home saying, I really wish you'd kissed me then. This is the thing, I don't really know how to react to things. I'm not good at these things, clearly not good at these things. So I said, Oh, well, you know, maybe next time.

Amanda 23:47

No, Gavin.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

You idiot.

Amanda 23:52

Oh, Gavin, you were so close to freedom.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Oh, it's okay, freedom comes. And then she asked me a couple of other questions because she's like, I'm not sure about that about you. I'm like, whoa, hang on. You're not sure about that about me? Like, I think I should be the one that's got questions in. Um, but anyway, so when she started. She I don't know. I don't know.

Amanda 24:19

That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

I'm trying to get you to make sense of someone who I don't think was quite like a real- Oh, I haven't made sense of it yet, so um, and then she starts to become really intense with her messaging, starts saying things like, I want I want that kind of extreme, obsessed with you kind of love. Uh otherwise I just don't want to bother with it. And she starts saying more and more these sorts of things, at which point I say, Okay, I don't think I'm the person for you. Which then triggers quite an explosive response in which I got called a lot of things.

Amanda 24:55

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Um, before I could even respond, she blocked me. Okay, well so no second date.

Josh 25:03

Oh, here's

Self-Worth And Dating Guardrails

Josh 25:04

the thing you know, that this this whole time, the reason why we started this whole thing with what time is it? Is because we wanted to give you advice and to help you. But I'm starting to think the more that that I just you know, I'm scrolling online and all this and that, the more that I'm aware that this is probably a lot of people's experience with dating. That that our world is so fucked right now that people are just not they're not handling anything well.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Certainly, I think you talk to a lot of different people, you'll find people have these maybe not quite the same stories I have, but some stories. Um I think for me, I am responsible. I would say I am responsible for a lot of it myself. I do bring a lot of it on myself, and this is gonna this is gonna sound sad, and I'm not trying to look for sympathy or anything, but I genuinely think I have a fairly low opinion of myself. So if anybody shows interest or um is attracted to me, I one, I can't figure it out, and then two, I will go along with a lot more than I should do.

Amanda 26:10

Gavin, I just want to hug you. It's very hard to be this far away from you, but I just want to hug you now.

Josh 26:16

I think what this sounds like then is that the solution to your problems, or at least a big solution to your problems, is let someone else vet the people for you and let them make the decision. So, like you have a personal assistant, even an AI assistant, right? Or or something that only allows the people through on these apps that aren't crazy, that don't exhibit the signs.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

I do have a friend who has told me that she has three girls that she thinks would be right for me. This this so we may be exploring this in the in the near future.

Amanda 26:56

Friend who has who knows you well, correct? Is this a person who knows you well?

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Uh yeah, fairly well, yeah.

Amanda 27:02

Okay, and knows these people well. Let's try these and then and then please come back and report.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

But yeah, I'll let you know how that goes.

Josh 27:09

I I I think that it should be to the point where they get your your login credentials and then they don't then they change the password so that you can't have it. Now, once you're on the date, you're still on your own. So, I mean that is step number two in this whole process, but at least let's put some sort of filter in there so that um I'd actually be curious to see your dating profile.

Amanda 27:34

I need you to create a profile just so you can go match with Gavin.

Josh 27:39

You want me to catfish him?

Amanda 27:40

Yeah, no, I I I no as yourself.

Josh 27:44

If you're gonna no that is I don't think you want me creating dating apps, my little friend.

Amanda 27:48

No, I don't know. I mean, some of these days I'm I'd be okay with it because you're mean to me.

Paramenopause Tangent And Listener Emails

Josh 27:54

My god, what is happening right now?

Amanda 27:56

You're mean to me in my paramenopausal state. I'm not mean to you. You know what I learned to do.

Josh 27:59

How do we turn this into about you? We're talking about Gavin. No, it's okay.

Amanda 28:03

Gavin's okay for me telling you this. I learned today, I sent you a reel on Instagram, and it's a man spanning paramenopause to all of the men. I mean, he's doing the Lord's work, let's be honest.

Josh 28:13

So he's doing a good job then.

Amanda 28:14

And for a man to experience the amount of like turmoil that a woman's body physically, uh chemically, hormonally goes through during paramenopause, you would have to age 120 years in a week and then crash back from it and be normal. And then the next time you age 150 years, like because chemically, what would need to happen in your body would take so many years compared to what happens in such a short time in my body. Sorry. Does that sound medically sound, Kevin? I mean Gavin's like, I am 100% not talking about touching this.

Josh 28:50

No, I I'm sorry, I drifted away. Could you say that again? No, sure.

Amanda 28:54

I'm telling you, he's either like really confident in my love for him or he just likes being dangerous.

Josh 29:01

Oh no, it's just that my my newly found ADHD doesn't allow me to focus very well sometimes.

Amanda 29:08

Um, friend, you you just are newly acknowledging it. It has been a part of your life for your whole life. I'm well aware of this part of you.

Josh 29:17

Okay, and you love me anyway.

Amanda 29:18

I do love you, but this is not about us, it's about Gavin. Gavin, you're gonna go out with these people that your friend is going to identify for you.

Josh 29:26

Y'all, do you have any advice for Gavin? Email us at familiarwilsons at gmail.com and let us know what you think Gavin should do.

Amanda 29:34

Dan Belson, you were not allowed to email us.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I was about to say the same thing. Yeah.

Josh 30:01

So now

Flashbacks Game And Timeline Guesses

Josh 30:02

we're gonna move into game time. Amanda, this is your shtick here, so go ahead, take it. Take it away.

Amanda 30:07

Well, so we've done the flashbacks before, which is a timeline of events in history, and Josh has to put them on a timeline of before or after the anchoring event. However, last time he was very upset by it and said he never wanted to do it again until this week when Gavin came on and he said, let's do this for Gavin so that maybe I'm not the only person who looks like a fool trying to do this. So we are gonna do game time. Uh it's a New York Times game called Flashbacks.

Josh 30:34

I'm gonna sponsor.

Amanda 30:35

I keep trying, they're not interested. Now, Josh likes to play the real game, is you just have to say before or after. Josh likes to play where he likes to try to say when it actually happened. You are welcome to do that. You are welcome to also just say before or after.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

I mean, I I I can have a guess. I'm not great on times. Neither or any anything that involves kind of measurements of anything, I'm very bad at.

Amanda 31:02

So we won't ask you how far distances are here. We're just gonna say before or after. So our anchoring event, and usually there are clues based on technology.

Josh 31:10

On the apps, when you put nine inches, then that's probably Oh my god, you're a horrible person. Accurate by a lot.

Amanda 31:17

Okay, anyway, here's your first event. Ready?

Josh 31:19

Go ahead.

Amanda 31:20

Partly inspired by seeing paper fed into a printer, Gary Anderson designs the recycling symbol. Fascinating history right here.

Josh 31:29

Jesus. So the question is what when was the recycling symbol?

Amanda 31:34

Yes. Do you guys have that recycling symbol with the green arrows that go?

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Green arrows, yeah. I am gonna say 68.

Amanda 31:43

Okay, Josh.

Josh 31:44

1968? Yeah, absolutely not. I'm gonna say 19. I'm gonna say 1990.

Amanda 31:50

1970. Oh, sure. Good job, Gavin. So, so your anchoring event is 1970. Now you just need to tell me before or after. And the Valley of Mexico, the megacity, oh Lord. T O Oh, I can't say this. Oh Lord. Um T E O T I H U A C A N.

Josh 32:14

I'm not spelling that.

Amanda 32:16

Okay. I can't say it. Boast apartments, basic plumbing, and pyramid architecture. More than a hundred thousand people live there. Was this before or after 1970?

SPEAKER_01 32:30

I'm gonna go with before.

Amanda 32:32

Probably very valid.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

I have no idea. Um one thousand.

Josh 32:39

I'm saying fourteen hundred.

Amanda 32:41

Four hundred and fifty BC? I mean not BC, so four hundred and fifty currently. CCE or whatever it is called now. Johann Sebastian Bach, so like anchor yourself in whatever Bach lived, enjoys coffee so much that he composes the coffee cantata, which describes the drink as lovelier than a thousand kisses.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Um, well, it's gonna be after the Mexican City, yes, um, and before the recycling thing.

Amanda 33:11

That is correct.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

I do want to know about this coffee that he's been having.

Amanda 33:16

Right?

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Um because I'm not a big coffee drinker, but that sounds good.

Amanda 33:20

Lovelier than a thousand kisses, Kevin.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Yeah, and he didn't even have to sit through an insane date. Well, we don't actually um I don't know when uh Bach was around. 1764.

Amanda 33:32

Josh?

Josh 33:33

1730.

Amanda 33:34

Ooh, 1732. Did you look it up?

Josh 33:36

No.

Amanda 33:37

Did you know about Bach?

Josh 33:38

Uh Johann Sebastian Bach, I think I've heard of him a couple times.

Amanda 33:41

No, did you know when the gentleman was having the coffee that is lovelier than the other thing?

Josh 33:44

I don't know anything about the coffee, but I know that he was in the 170 uh first half of the 1700s.

Amanda 33:48

All right, there you go. All right, but you're still all winning the game. In San Francisco, steep hills plague humans and horses alike. So the city launches a solution inspired by mining vehicles, the cable car. Oh I didn't know that was inspired by mining vehicles.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Before recycling. After Bach. That's a safe.

Amanda 34:12

That's a safe bet. Because America, I don't think it w was a country before before Bach.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Uh I don't know in terms of year. 1890.

Josh 34:21

Gosh. Oh, you know what? I wrote down 1890, so we're gonna say 1895.

Amanda 34:26

1873. Clarence Birdseye, which I don't know that this will mean anything to you, Gavin, because this is an American brand. Clarence Birdseye, a naturalist, is inspired by seeing Inuits use icy air to freeze fish. He develops a technique for flash freezing leading to the rise of frozen foods. So birdseye is a big like frozen vegetable. Do you have birdseye there?

SPEAKER_01 34:49

We do.

Amanda 34:50

Okay, alright.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

They had a very catchy TV commercial uh for their potato waffles.

Amanda 34:56

I don't think we have potato waffles. We just have peas.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Uh before uh between the cable car and the and park.

Amanda 35:06

Okay.

Josh 35:08

I'm gonna say yeah, that between uh no, I'm gonna say because I I thought it was like 1925 or something. So like between San Francisco and recycling.

Amanda 35:23

1825 or 1925?

Josh 35:25

1925.

Amanda 35:26

1923.

Josh 35:28

Oh, okay, very good. Bird's eye. I've already screwed up my little graph that I'm drawing here, so all right.

Amanda 35:35

Three more. As the Dust Bowl peaks, do you know the Dust Bowl? Is this a thing you're aware of, Gavin?

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Uh I believe there was some photography done around that time.

Amanda 35:46

So it's basically a massive drought that happened in in the was it like the midlands in Florida in Florida in the US? I don't actually know where it happened. The middle. The middle of the country. Yeah. Okay. As the Dust Bowl peaks, Laura Ingleswelder writes about her frontier childhood. Her novel, Little House on the Prairie, becomes an instant bestseller. Have you heard of Little House on the Prairie?

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Uh only the TV show.

Amanda 36:09

So I just learned, did you know they rebooted it? Right, you and I saw it recently because I was like, is this because I thought it was just like a remastering, but no, they've like they're re I need people to get their own stuff. Stop bringing back all of the things, like make new things.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Uh I'm gonna say between cable car and birdseye.

Amanda 36:28

Yeah, that's what I would have thought.

Josh 36:30

Um I'm gonna say between birdseye and recycling, because I think it's like the the 19.

Amanda 36:39

You think it's in the 40s?

Josh 36:41

40s or 30s, so I'll say 1940.

Amanda 36:44

Okay. 1935. Good Josh. Gavin Josh is feeding you by two now.

Josh 36:50

Little House on the Prairie set earlier, but she wrote them during the It became a bestseller in 1935. Yeah, there you go.

Amanda 36:57

Okay. An Italian father sues his son for using family money for church repairs. The son, Francis of Assisi, moves into a cave and later founds the Franciscan Order.

Josh 37:10

Wait, so the Franciscan Order was was based upon the son stealing shit, and then he's like, fuck that shit, I'm gonna cruise.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Oh, I have no idea.

Amanda 37:26

I have no idea when this gentleman would have been alive.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Um I'm gonna say um after Mexico, um, before whatever the next thing was.

Josh 37:39

You mean in that very small time period between 450 AD and 1730? Yeah, I think that that's probably a safe guess.

Amanda 37:46

And yes, uh Francis of a CC was the patron saint of animals.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

So I'm gonna say patron saint, I know.

Amanda 37:53

All right, because you love the animals. Okay.

Josh 37:55

I'm gonna say 1000 AD.

Amanda 37:58

Okay. Well, you're both in the same place on the timeline, you're just going extra. Uh 1206. So you both got that right.

Josh 38:06

Yes, but I got it more right.

Amanda 38:08

Okay. Two more. King Manuel of Portugal accepts a gift. Oh, this is sad. The first rhinoceros in Europe in generations. Because of its long journey, sailors give the animal the nickname Ulysses. Oh. Which is timely because the Odyssey just came out.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Um before Bach. And I can't think uh Yeah.

Amanda 38:36

You are correct.

Josh 38:37

Yeah, okay.

Amanda 38:38

Well, you talked with F8s.

Josh 38:40

That's also where I would put it.

Amanda 38:42

I know, which is I felt confident enough that that's what you were gonna say.

Josh 38:45

1400.

Amanda 38:46

1515.

Josh 38:47

I think that I'm winning this.

Amanda 38:49

Okay. I think you've already won it. Alright, here's the last one. Ready? European beer is earthy thanks to a pungent mix of herbs and flowers. So Frankish brewers make the first recorded use of another ingredient for beer. Can anyone guess?

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Hops. Uh sometimes, yeah.

Amanda 39:11

Do you like it to be hoppy or herby?

SPEAKER_01 39:13

I can't think of any herbie beer, to be honest.

Amanda 39:17

They all live in Europe. That's why you've been Brexited away from them.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

That's the problem. Beer's been around forever. Um has it? Well, pretty much. Between a CC and the rhino.

Amanda 39:34

Okay.

Josh 39:35

All right, I'm gonna put it between the Mexican plumbing and a CC at like 600 AD. 822.

Amanda 39:44

Sorry, Gavin, but I do appreciate you playing, but Josh did beat you, which I think was the point because Josh was feeling bad about it last week, and so he needed to feel better this week.

Josh 39:54

Listen, we take it where we can get it, baby. Thank you, Gavin, for um helping my self-esteem. I certainly appreciate it.

Amanda 40:01

And we just went from a section where Gavin was talking about poor self-esteem, and then just you just like ground it in some more.

Josh 40:09

I mean, but I didn't intentionally ground it in, just like this poor actress that he that he dated and then left.

Amanda 40:16

Listen, I have questions about somebody who needs to smoke a joint before going to lunch and then like gets really worked up. Like, clearly wasn't like at a medicinal. I don't think that there's a prescription because it was not at a medicinal level for themselves.

Josh 40:31

I hope she's doing well.

Amanda 40:33

I I mean thoughts and prayers.

Josh 40:35

Can you send me her show reel?

Amanda 40:37

No.

Josh 40:38

No, I'm just really curious. I'm I'm just really curious.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

I can have a look and see if I've still got it.

Amanda 40:43

Yeah, I was like, did you do you sit did you save it? Do you watch it at night? All right, that's all there is. There is no more. What'd you think about that? You don't know what to do with that, do you? We've been doing this for six years, and I never know how to answer that. And it never occurred to me that you've never had that asked of you.

Josh 41:10

I thought we were pretty much all over the place, but I think that that's our show

Guest Plug And Podcast Fever Dream

Josh 41:13

now. I think our show has morphed. Uh, Gavin, tell us about your show, please.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Okay, so uh be there with Belson, me and my brother Dan. Um we have been going for six years now. Um seven in October. It's a conversation between the two of us, essentially all over the shop, lots of different topics. Still my favourite review we ever had was uh from somebody that we uh we all know, a guy called Dean, who described us as his favourite fever dream of a podcast. Um the think thinking being that as soon as he understands what topic we're on to or what topic we're talking about, we've moved on to the next thing. We really should slow that down. We burn through topics ridiculously, but we also suggest songs um at the end, which we have very different musical tastes. So we have a Spotify playlist because of that, and if anyone listens to that, if you listen to it in order, it makes no sense at all. Yeah, that's that's us really. Um feel free to listen or don't, it's okay, we'll be okay. Um we gotta work on self-promotion.

Josh 42:23

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Hey, we're looking even if no one listens, we'll still do it because it's an opportunity for me to speak to to Dan for an hour a week uninterrupted.

Amanda 42:35

And you still like him?

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Uh most of the time. But uh, yeah, so uh out every Monday. There's only been a couple of weeks where we've missed or been late. The consistency is what we're proud of more than anything. I should have stopped talking about two or three minutes ago about this, but all right.

Josh 42:54

We would

Gratitude List And Goodbye

Josh 42:55

like to thank the following people as we do every single week. Thank you to Antonio, Justin, Matt, Brendan, JK, Danny J Buckets, Leo, Monique from Germany, Terry, Chicken Tom, R.I.P. Ryan Baker, Frankie Boyle, Lenny Bluce, the creators of Tim Tams, Ryan Baker again, Jacob, Jason, Mike O'Malley, Joey, Joey, Tasha, and of course, Kate and Tony, Mark and Rachel and Dan and Gavin. The music that started us off was by Ricky Kendall. Other theme music in there was by Chris Barron of the Spin Doctors, and of course, thank you to AJCW for his music during game time and the other music that he allows us to use. And of course, thank you to Muff Muff of and Jesus. And of course, thank you to Muffy and Winthrop and Daniel and Andrew. That's a fucking mouthful there. That is.

Amanda 44:04

Also Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Thank you. Oh, Jesus. I was like, oh, okay.

Amanda 44:09

Yeah, no, also Jesus.

Josh 44:11

Jesus and Buddha and all of the celestial lights in the sky. All right, folks. So until next time, I'm Josh. That's been Gavin, and that one over there is Amanda. Y'all take it easy this next week.

Amanda 44:25

Gotta be kind. Bye.